I know it is more of a joke from you, but it would make sense. I would count that as Chinese contribution to the Syrian war, something China should do. After all, China should not expect Russia to shoulder the whole cost for Syria if China sees a stable secular Syria being an anchor stone for OBOR.Maybe the whole thing is just a Chinese foreign military aid gift to Russia.
China 'bought' 24 Su35s in that China paid for them, but they are for the Russian Air Force and not the PLAAF.
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如果俄罗斯不能按时交付苏35和S400防空导弹，而是以各种借口搪塞和扯皮，中国完全可以直接取消合同，要求俄罗斯返还已经支付的定金，毕竟随着歼20战机交付的日期越来越近，苏35对中国已经没有太大的意义。
article indicates if China doesn't receive anything in 2016, it will cancel the whole deal and ask for the down payment.
No More BS. China getting Sick-n-Tire of the whole thing already.
The consequence would be bigger than this., It means China will not buy anymore AL31F, IIy76, helicopters and cancel the C929 project.
article indicates if China doesn't receive anything in 2016, it will cancel the whole deal and ask for the down payment.
No More BS. China getting Sick-n-Tire of the whole thing already.
The consequence would be bigger than this., It means China will not buy anymore AL31F, IIy76, helicopters and cancel the C929 project.
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Santa Claus says HO! HO! HO!
Blackstone
Brigadier
It looks like a done deal, but what's the reason for so much doubts? In a semi-related question, will the S-400 deal go through?
Good question but honestly, I don't know.
Concerning this back and forth I think it is more a typical Western & Russian media issue ... several ill-informed Russians want to say something even if they don't know and the typical Western press just catches this up like a pack of wild hyenas on a dead zebra in the Serengeti.
Deino
Concerning this back and forth I think it is more a typical Western & Russian media issue ... several ill-informed Russians want to say something even if they don't know and the typical Western press just catches this up like a pack of wild hyenas on a dead zebra in the Serengeti.
Deino
Wow, that's pretty poetic.
I know, the kids at school love me for my poetic explanations ....
b787
Captain
there are two reasons
the first one is the deal has taken really too long, it has taken around 5 years from showing interest to sign the deal and talking about deliveries with a date.
Chinese interest started in 2009, the first signing of a memorandum of understanding was around 2012, the contract was signed in 2015, but even the CEO of Rostec in 2016 was saying that both nations needed to ratify the deal for the deal to go through, it was only in September 2016 when they announced the Deliveries are set for this year end.
The second reason is copy rights, Russia got very angry at China for scrapping the deal of the Su-27 license, the original deal was China was going to build the fuselage, Russia the engines and related subsystems, China did not fulfill their part of the deal. and the J-11 started production with domestic content, by 2013 too Russia and China were talking about copy rights in specific Sukhoi`s license of Su-27.
The deal was smoothed, today even Sukhoi`s website says Su-27 production is going on in China, however Russian officials when asked said the best way to beat the competition was making the original better than the copy, Su-35 supercruises and has advanced TVC nozzles, no Chinese Su-27 can do that, further more Irbis has a range of 400 km for a MiG-21 RCS size target.While people say Irbis is PESA, the radar is not oudated, it probably can detect a F-35 at 100 km some people say, plus the Chinese version is downgraded.
Today Russia has type 30 engine, if you see that type 30 has such advances over 117s in the same way Al-31 had over Al-21 used on Su-24.Type 30 has more thrust, reports said around 16 tonnes, (some reports say 17 tonnes) better SFC, and it is lighter, it is a true 5th generation engine.
117S is more an equivalent of the engines fitted to Eurofighter, while type 30 an equivalent to f-119 fitted to F-22
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