b787
Captain
that is your opinion, the 117s is something gives it advantage, but old habits change last
show me J-xx Flanker doing that
Chinese purchase of Su-35
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show me J-xx Flanker doing that
vesicles
Colonel
Well, I have decided to ignore the latest "news" on the Su-35.
Why? Because of this: Russian media quoting Igor Morozov, a member of the Russian Federation Committee on International Affairs, confirming "Chinese aircraft carrier, Lianoning, and a guided missile cruiser were heading to the area, and adding Chinese military advisers were already in the region"
If even a top Russian official can be either misquoted or whatever, how can I believe what they quoted about a company executive (in the case of the Su-35)?
Why? Because of this: Russian media quoting Igor Morozov, a member of the Russian Federation Committee on International Affairs, confirming "Chinese aircraft carrier, Lianoning, and a guided missile cruiser were heading to the area, and adding Chinese military advisers were already in the region"
If even a top Russian official can be either misquoted or whatever, how can I believe what they quoted about a company executive (in the case of the Su-35)?
SinoSoldier
Colonel
Your post made no logical sense. The Su-35's redundancy is not anyone's "thinking" but rather an observation made of the degree of similarity between the Su-35's systems and those of the J-11D/6. Aerobatic maneuvers made by the T-50 (which was almost certainly confined to strict flight envelopes) has no place in this equation.
b787
Captain
You might be right but i will say this, this thread has become really ridiculous, the one who is quoted is the CEO of Rostec, who basically is like the CEO of Boeing or the CEO of EADS confirms the sale of Eurofighters or F-15s.
But like we say who has the last laugh laughs better, let us see who is right if i am wrong i will offer you an apology to all of you doubters of the deal, but if am right i will consider you have distorted the whole saga of the Su-35 deal and made a horribly wrong summary of the history of the deal and you are not even aware you so called fans of the PLAAF of what the PLAAF is doing
SinoSoldier
Colonel
P.S. Neither Sukhoi nor KnAAPO has made any mention of a Su-35 deal on their websites, which are frequently updated.
b787
Captain
Look i am bored of your conclusion you are right. Time will tell, but i am sure the deal is true and if i am wrong i will offer you an apology for believe wrong, but if you are wrong which i am sure you are (at this moment) i will consider you most of you do not believe the deal just by mere pride
SinoSoldier
Colonel
Look, I think we've been at it for too long. No apologies owed. I do apologize if I had come off as too harsh.
At this point the bipolar nature of this supposed Su-35 deal has, understandably, got everybody skeptic about this alleged purchase. Let's just give it a rest.
b787
Captain
you wanted something official here it is
see what they say is basically what i say, advantage over F-15
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vesicles
Colonel
Well, nobody owes anybody anything. It's not anyone's job to believe some story. It's the job of the story teller to sell his story and convince people to believe the story. If anyone doesn't believe the story, the story teller didn't do a good job. That's it. In this case, the Russians have not done a good job selling any story. In the business world, credibility is everything. And too many cases of cry-wolves do not help anyone...
And I don't see how I have distorted any "saga" of anything. Every detail of the Su-35 saga has been detailed in the news. I don't think anyone disagrees with the weird saga of the Su-35 deal. The only thing that anyone can say of the Su-35 deal is "cry-wolf"
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b787
Captain
This is not a theoretical job of Physics, but something which is very easy to verify.
The page of ROSTEC already has the news officially, whether you believe it or not it does not matter millions will see the news and millions more already see the likelyhood the Su-35 has been sold is 100% asure.
This thread is ridiculous because people have been denying the fact it is already official since ROSTEC is endorsing it.
Basically the arguments you hear here are pretty useless, most people in other forums are already discussing what is the use of the Su-35 in the PLAAF, i am sure this thread will continue to deny it until is too late and you see the Su-35 in PLAAF colors and all doubters will simply say i did know it was true but let is rest anyway i know old habits are the ones that change last, and pretty much this thread in this forum has become boring to me, i won`t change your mind, and i am not for arguing about the same thing all my life it is boring, i just let you know it is official in Russia, and you will see the first Su-35 most likely at the end of 2016 in Chinese colors
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