Chinese purchase of Su-35

SinoSoldier

SinoSoldier

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b787 said:
It does all the flankers made by China are equivalent to the Su-33/Su-30MKK performance wise with avionics and weapons similar to F-15s such as the F-15E or F-15k at best.
The Su-35 is closer to the Eurofighter and Rafale in aerodynamic performance and avionics in the league of the first Rafale versions
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Unless you have access to the blueprints of every single subsystem aboard Chinese Flankers as well as those of Su-33/MKK or F-15E/K, by no means are you qualified to judge the capabilities of these respective jets.

The J-15, J-16, and J-11D feature AESA radars, upgraded cockpits, integrated avionics, upgunned 140 kN engines, next-generation EW/ECM suites, increased use of RAM and composites, and much more, most of which may or may not even be found aboard the likes of the Su-35/Rafale/Eurofighter.
 
SinoSoldier

SinoSoldier

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b787 said:
that is false, the J-11 are not very different over a F-15J in BVR and the F-15Ks already have AESA radars
the F-15Js have already been operating their AIM-120 equivalent, the AAM-4
Basically performance wise and weapons wise, the F-15J is a match for the J-11, the latest J-11s at the most can fight the F-15K
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the Su-35 if really bought by China are expensive, in fact see the price
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The J-11D likely operates more powerful AESAs than the ones aboard the J-16 (which has 1760 T/R modules and can detect a 1 m^2 target at 450 km), while the J-16 has those as well. Please post the specifications of the F-15J/K's radars if you wish to draw a fair comparison.
 
SinoSoldier

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b787 said:
easy, show me a J-11 that super cruises? can you? no you can not but i can show you F-15Ks with AESA radars, F-15Js with AAM-5s and AAM-4s, the AIM-5 is a HMS cued missile with AIM-9X capabilities, making any superiority of J-11 in WVR in turn capability useless.

Rafale and Eurofighter supercruise, and the same Su-35
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Why mention supercruise, which is irrelevant? As far as I know the Su-35 does not have it.

As for AESAs, HMS, or BVRAAMs, the J-10A/B, J-11B/D, J-15, J-16, and J-20 feature them.
 
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I think it's a draw between J11D, and F15J/K.
What will give China decided advantage is the combo of J31 and EW J-15 , and regular J15 in large numbers versus Japan limited number of imported F35.

Therefore Carrier program is the one that tilts the balance.
 
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China is to buy a batch of 24 Sukhoi-35 fighter jets from Russia in a deal worth more than $2 billion (1.3 billion pounds), an industry source told Reuters on Thursday, in a move that may help the Kremlin's strained finances.

A spokeswoman for Russian state holding Rostec confirmed a deal between the two countries had been signed involving Su-35 fighter jets, but declined to provide details.

The deal makes China the first foreign buyer of the Su-35, one of Russia's most advanced military aircraft, and is one of the largest contracts for military jets to have ever been signed between the two countries.

Russia and China have been in talks for several years over the Su-35s, and in 2012 the two sides signed a preliminary agreement for Beijing to buy some of the jets, the Kommersant newspaper reported.

Arms sales are a rare bright spot in an otherwise gloomy economic picture for Russia, whose economy is suffering from weak oil prices and Western sanctions over the Ukraine conflict.

Moscow has sought to deepen trade and financial ties with Beijing following the chill in relations with the West over Ukraine, but some analysts are sceptical as to whether the drive has yielded much in the way of early results.

It is not clear when China will pay Russia the more than $2 billion fee for the Su-35 jets.
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SinoSoldier

SinoSoldier

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tidalwave said:
I think it's a draw between J11D, and F15J/K.
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Does the F-15J/K feature AESAs more powerful than that of the J-16 (which has 1760 T/R modules and a detection range of 450 km against 1m^2 target), 140 kN engines, composite materials, RAM, twelve hardpoints, next-generation ECM/EW suites, and a new cockpit?

F-15Js did not recieve BVR capabilities until recently; a fairer comparison would be with a J-11A.
 
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SinoSoldier said:
Why mention supercruise, which is irrelevant? As far as I know the Su-35 does not have it.

As for AESAs, HMS, or BVRAAMs, the J-10A/B, J-11B/D, J-15, J-16, and J-20 feature them.
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Su-35 can supercruise and it is extremely important. Even more so for su-27 family, which can sustain this cruising for extended periods of time, thanks to huge internal tankage.
 
SinoSoldier

SinoSoldier

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Gloire_bb said:
Su-35 can supercruise and it is extremely important. Even more so for su-27 family, which can sustain this cruising for extended periods of time, thanks to huge internal tankage.
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And how does a higher cruise speed contribute to its role as an air superiority fighter?
 
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