Chinese Naval Export: News, Views, Pics & Videos

by78

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All potentially for sale systems, including 052D. There's a J-20 model though, so maybe only a portion is export approved.

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This is likely a diplomatic reception in Algeria where China's achievements are being shown off. It's highly unlikely that all or perhaps even the majority of the systems on display are being made available to Algeria. That said, the purpose of such exhibits is to increase a potential customer's confidence in China's technological and engineering capabilities, thereby making it easier to market various systems China does wish to export, such as UCAVs, radars, SAMs, etc.

By the way, I think that Twitter user Húrin is untrustworthy and should be avoided.
 

para80

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This is likely a diplomatic reception in Algeria where China's achievements are being shown off. It's highly unlikely that all or perhaps even the majority of the systems on display are being made available to Algeria. That said, the purpose of such exhibits is to increase a potential customer's confidence in China's technological and engineering capabilities, thereby making it easier to market various systems China does wish to export, such as UCAVs, radars, SAMs, etc.

By the way, I think that Twitter user Húrin is untrustworthy and should be avoided.
Agree with everything said here. Amusingly that guy also blocked me on Twitter. No idea why.


Anyway, that display is PR more than anything IMO. They are not going to sell entire rockets to Algeria (though I am sure they'd take orders for satellite launches).
 

Helius

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Looks like the Thai are getting Chinese engines after all -

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Thailand considers Chinese engines for its S26T Yuan submarines
  • China Shipbuilding & Offshore International was meant to secure German engines in the US$379m deal, but this fell through and they offered an alternative
  • The first of three diesel-electric S26T submarines ordered by the Thai navy is expected to arrive in April 2024

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A military model of the S-26T submarine. Photo: Handout

Thailand on Tuesday said it was open to buying Chinese-made diesel engines for the S26T Yuan-class submarine it is buying, after the Chinese manufacturer failed to get German equipment as specified in the 13.5 billion-baht (US$379 million) contract signed in 2017.

Thai navy spokesman Pokkrong Monthatphalin told reporters the force opted for an alternative option offered by Beijing after China Shipbuilding & Offshore International (CSOC) presented the specifications of an improved version of its CHD620 engine to replace Germany’s MTU396 model.

Pokkrong added that the navy’s chief of staff, Admiral Thaloengsak Sirisawat, emphasised that the engines must match the specifications mentioned in the deal and the navy would conduct a thorough evaluation, which is expected to end by September 15.

He said if the results were satisfactory, the navy would ask CSOC to send the engine for testing. If it passed all checks, there would be no need to modify the contract.

“If the substitute from CSOC cannot pass the test, the contract must be terminated, and the two sides will have to hold talks to discuss compensation or a refund. However, the navy would prefer not to completely reset the process, if possible,” the Bangkok Post quoted Pokkrong as saying.

He also said the state-owned Chinese firm would be using the new engines in its submarines, and Thailand and Sri Lanka would be among the first foreign buyers of the model.

The first of three diesel-electric S26T submarines is expected to arrive in April 2024.

Germany’s Federal Military Attaché to Thailand in February said Berlin refused to export the engine for the submarine because it was being used in Chinese military and defence industry items.

Thailand, despite being one of the United States’ two security treaty allies in Southeast Asia, has grown closer to China and relied on Beijing as its arms supplier since former general Prayuth Chan-ocha first took control of the country in a 2014 coup.

The Thai navy said the submarines would help prevent intrusions into the Gulf of Thailand and would also strengthen maritime security, in light of a growing US-China rivalry and the heightened risk of incidents in the South China Sea.
 

tphuang

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what? This is the first time I've heard Sri Lanka buying S26. Well, maybe they can find a few more customers for S26. It should be competitive with the European diesel subs in capability.
 

sndef888

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Well let's pray the new chinese engine is sufficient

Also, does this show that China's domestic sub engines are worse than MTU ones? Or is there a better domestic alternative not available for export?
 

siegecrossbow

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Well let's pray the new chinese engine is sufficient

Also, does this show that China's domestic sub engines are worse than MTU ones? Or is there a better domestic alternative not available for export?

The engines used by Chinese Yuan subs are made in China, but based on existing German IP and covered by the export ban. The alternative is a pure Chinese design that has not seen much use, thus explaining the reticence Thai military has about it.
 

tphuang

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Well, given that the potential clients go beyond just Thailand, I think it's pretty important for this to go through.
 

by78

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Three more high-resolution images of Pakistan's 054APs.

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