Chinese military exports to other countries

thunderchief

thunderchief

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plawolf said:
If such a war does break out, China is not expecting it to end quick, so it will have time to re-direct its enormous industrial might to armament production, at which point the PLA might eventually have more war machines then troops to crew them.
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That could be completely wrong approach for 21st century .

In first half of 20th century military industry and industry in general was only beginning to develop . Many countries started WW2 with biplanes, it ended with jets . Germany started the war with Pz I , in the end it had King Tigers . Ships, planes and tanks were relatively crude compared to today's standard , and to disrupt production there were only two realistic options - to drop tons of dumb bombs or to capture factories themselves .

In 21st century it takes lot more time to produce something like F-22 ,B-2, Tu-160 , J-20 etc ... Even mightiest countries in the world could afford only fractions (numerically) of tank armies and aircraft fleets deployed in 20th century . On the other hand, it is much easier to disrupt production of new aircraft, tanks or ships , using long-range weapons increasingly available to almost any country . Complex systems require lot of components, and destroying or disabling production of only one of them could stop whole production process. What is even worse, these specialized high-tech components require specialized factories , therefore improvising production (like Germans did in late parts of WW2 ) is not an option .

Therefore, if China has relatively small high-tech force at the beginning of great war, enemy could defeat such force trough attrition relatively early at the beginning of conflict . And after that, it could disrupt industrial production of new high-tech weapons, forcing China to rely on simpler and obsolete equipment .
 
kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

Colonel
plawolf said:
China is taking full advantage of its industrial production might.

Its strategy is one of mainly development, with little production. Thus reducing the defence spending while catching up to the best in the world in terms of tech level.

They will buy enough to keep the factories going and retain the skills and also have enough units to allow their best units to train on the new equipment even if they are not normally issued with it.

It has enough elite units equipped with the best kit to be able to easily handle anything short of a major full scale war.

If such a war does break out, China is not expecting it to end quick, so it will have time to re-direct its enormous industrial might to armament production, at which point the PLA might eventually have more war machines then troops to crew them.
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In a major war, factories and all production facilities would be prime targets. You cut the supply chain you've pretty much won the war. The US is very fortunate to be separated by two ponds and that played a key role in allied victory. Our factories were untouched. Ones in Germany and Japan totally decimated.
The robust automotive industry also played a critical role in churning out tanks like hotcakes.

In modern warfare things would be similar but not in the same scale because the sophistication level of individual weapons systems has increased exponentially. A ford or Chevy plant is not going to be able to produce an m1 or an f35 lol and lockheed will not be stamping out 100 F35s in a single day unlike the P51s. The there's the training as pect. You can teach a guy how to fly a Mustang or a spitfire in a few days.. Impossible to do that in modern jets.

Basically in a full scale conventional war once the war stock is depleted I would say maybe 10 15% is replaced in best case and that's with the nation going into full scale war economy and factories at 100%.
If your factories are all destroyed and raw materials depleted, then it's game over.
 
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PanAsian

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Since it says China will continue to supply Afghan forces does anyone know what China has been supplying so far?

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World | Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:43am EDT
China's Xi pledges security equipment, training for Afghanistan
BEIJING

China will provide Afghanistan with security equipment and training, President Xi Jinping told his Afghan counterpart on Friday, days after Chinese officials observed the first tentative peace talks between Kabul and the Taliban.

Pakistan hosted the talks aimed at ending more than 13 years of war in neighboring Afghanistan, where the Taliban have been trying to re-establish their hard-line Islamist regime after it was toppled by U.S.-led military intervention in 2001.

Beijing is keen to see a stable Afghanistan, worried about what it says are separatist groups in China's far western region of Xinjiang, which borders the Central Asian country.

"Increasing security cooperation suits both countries' interests. China will continue to supply Afghanistan with security supplies, technology, equipment and training assistance," Xi told Afghan President Ashraf Ghani during a meeting in Russia.

Xi is in the Russian city of Ufa for a summit of the leaders of the BRICS emerging nations, Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa, during which Afghanistan's security is to be discussed.

The statement did not give further details on Chinese assistance, but Beijing has long pledged security cooperation with Afghanistan and has been bracing for more responsibility there as U.S. forces have scaled back.

China says it does not seek to replace departing Western troops in Afghanistan but has promised to play a "huge" commercial role in helping rebuild the country.

(Reporting by Michael Martina; Editing by Jeremy Laurence)
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plawolf

plawolf

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PanAsian said:
Since it says China will continue to supply Afghan forces does anyone know what China has been supplying so far?

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China supplied most of the small arms for Afghan and Iraqi security forces post occupation.

The western media loves to print pictures of Iraqis with M16s and M4s, but much of their force, and the bulk of the Afghan security forces use Chinese made '56s
 
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antiterror13

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plawolf said:
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China supplied most of the small arms for Afghan and Iraqi security forces post occupation.
The western media loves to print pictures of Iraqis with M16s and M4s, but much of their force, and the bulk of the Afghan security forces use Chinese made '56s
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Are those Type 56 ex PLA ? wondering why don't they use the better one Type 81 ?
Type 56 is no longer use by PLA and Type 81 has been completed (or very very close) replaced by newer generation Type 95 and Type 03
 
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