Chinese military exports to other countries
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It's basically logistic training and support for perhaps disaster responses.
broadsword
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To suggest China might be keen on the Armata is just fluff. Its components are off-the-shelf that you can bolt on current tanks, nothing radical.
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Tank maker seeks to increase exports on land armaments
By Zhao Lei (China Daily)
Norinco promotes weapon features on WeChat, a common messaging app
In an effort to increase sales of its tanks in the face of declining global demand, China North Industries Group Corp, the country's biggest developer and maker of land armaments, is turning to a popular smartphone social networking app.
WeChat is often used by Chinese arms producers to release comparisons between their weapons and other nations' products - contents that they would not put on their websites in consideration of diplomatic issues.
So, like many other State-owned defense technology enterprises, Norinco, as the tank maker is known, is promoting its brand and products to WeChat's more than 500 million users.
Most recently, it posted an article on its account that touts the ways its tanks are more usable than Russia's most-advanced T-14 Armata.
"Production lines of tanks have been closed in Western countries for a long time, so among large tank makers, only China and Russia have such facilities, which means if an international client wants to buy a new tank, it can only choose between China and Russia," said Norinco, the sole tank maker in China.
"Currently, Russia has only one new tank that is available for export - the T-90S. In contrast, we have the low-end VT-2, middle-end VT-1 as well as the high-end VT-4, covering the requirements of almost every client in the international market," the company said.
China is Russia's main competitor in developing countries seeking to buy tanks, and the tight market is becoming even more competitive for tank exporters. A report last year by the Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade in Moscow indicated that the global demand for new tanks will sharply decline from 2014 to 2017 compared with the previous four-year period, which is expected to further fuel the already fierce competition.
The T-90S, a third-generation Russian main battle tank, is just able to compete with the VT-1, while its upgraded version, the T-90AM, has no substantial improvements, according to Norinco. The VT-4's wide recognition on the international tank market is forcing Russia to put its cutting-edge T-14 on the market to change the situation, the company said.
Russia debuted the T-14 Armata on May 9 during a grand parade to celebrate the 70th anniversary of victory in World War II. Russian media noted that the weapon was the first fourth-generation tank to enter service globally, saying it would be one of the most powerful tanks in the future battlefield.
However, the assertion is being challenged by Norinco, which claims the Russian tank is weaker than the Chinese VT-4 in terms of automation, mobility, fire-control systems and cost competitiveness.
"The T-14's transmission is not well-developed, as we saw through a malfunction taking place during a rehearsal before the May 9 parade. By comparison, the VT-4 has never encountered such problems so far," Norinco said in the WeChat article. "Our tanks also have world-class fire-control systems, which the Russians are still trying to catch up with."
It continued: "Another important issue is the price - the T-14 is reported to have a price as high as that of the United States' M1A2 Abrams. ... Why don't buyers consider Chinese tanks that have well-developed technologies and equipment as well as much-lower prices?"
Features touted
To further influence potential buyers, Liu Song, a senior manager of research and development at Norinco, touted other VT-4 features: strong firepower as well as a cutting-edge data exchange network.
"It has an advanced fire-control instrument, a new-type active protection system and a state-of-the-art, fully automatic transmission device," he said. "In addition, the inter-unit network connects commanders of tanks and armored vehicles under a combat group, enabling them to share battlefield data in a real-time manner."
According to Feng Yibai, chief designer of the VT-4, the tank is equipped with an electronic-controlled diesel engine with 1,200 horsepower, giving the tank a cruise speed of 68 km per hour. Its main gun is a 125-mm smoothbore that can fire various shells, including kinetic energy penetrators and high-explosive anti-tank warheads. It can fire anti-tank missiles with a maximum range of 5,000 meters.
Even with heavy protective armor and strong firepower, the tank is much lighter in weight - 52 metric tons to 60 tons for its foreign rivals - making the VT-4 much faster, Feng said.
The VT-4 can compete with any first-class tank used by Western militaries, including the US M1A2 Abrams and Germany's Leopard 2A6, Liu said.
During a promotional event in August in the Inner Mongolia autonomous region, diplomats, military officials and defense contractors from 44 countries were shown a field performance by the VT-4 tanks and some other combat vehicles made by Norinco.
"Several countries have expressed interest in the VT-4 after their officials saw the tank's display, and we are negotiating with them on this matter," Liu said, without providing more details.
Feng said Pakistan's army will test the tank.
Rising competitor
Pakistan will not be alone in deploying the VT-4, as the tank will have strong appeal to Middle Eastern countries, according to Shi Yang, an independent military observer in Beijing.
One of VT-4's predecessors, the VT-1, has been in service in several nations, including Pakistan, Morocco, Bangladesh and Myanmar, and Norinco is sparing no effort to promote it to more buyers, especially developing countries, foreign media reported.
China also is developing a new-generation light tank specifically designed for operations in mountainous regions. The tank is equipped with a hydropneumatic suspension system that ensures better maneuverability and higher survivability, an earlier report said.
China exported a total of 461 tanks from 1992 to 2013, according to the United Nations' Register of Conventional Arms, which began to record conventional weapons transfers between UN member states in 1992. Pakistan bought 296 Chinese tanks during the two decades.
Russia sold 1,297 tanks during the same period, with Algeria being the largest buyer.
The biggest tank exporter during the period was the United States, which reported sales of 5,511 tanks. It was followed by Germany, which sold 2,680 tanks.
In 2013, the latest year for which data is available, China sold 98 tanks to foreign buyers. Bangladesh, with a 44-tank deal, was the largest customer through, the UN said.
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Tank maker seeks to increase exports on land armaments
By Zhao Lei (China Daily)
Norinco promotes weapon features on WeChat, a common messaging app
The high-end VT-4 tank is promoted by Norinco, its Chinese manufacturer, as an alternative to Russia's advanced T-14 Armata. Norinoco said its tank is better than the T-14 in terms of automation, mobility, fire-control systems and cost. Hu Yongye / for China Daily
WeChat is often used by Chinese arms producers to release comparisons between their weapons and other nations' products - contents that they would not put on their websites in consideration of diplomatic issues.
So, like many other State-owned defense technology enterprises, Norinco, as the tank maker is known, is promoting its brand and products to WeChat's more than 500 million users.
Most recently, it posted an article on its account that touts the ways its tanks are more usable than Russia's most-advanced T-14 Armata.
"Production lines of tanks have been closed in Western countries for a long time, so among large tank makers, only China and Russia have such facilities, which means if an international client wants to buy a new tank, it can only choose between China and Russia," said Norinco, the sole tank maker in China.
"Currently, Russia has only one new tank that is available for export - the T-90S. In contrast, we have the low-end VT-2, middle-end VT-1 as well as the high-end VT-4, covering the requirements of almost every client in the international market," the company said.
China is Russia's main competitor in developing countries seeking to buy tanks, and the tight market is becoming even more competitive for tank exporters. A report last year by the Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade in Moscow indicated that the global demand for new tanks will sharply decline from 2014 to 2017 compared with the previous four-year period, which is expected to further fuel the already fierce competition.
The T-90S, a third-generation Russian main battle tank, is just able to compete with the VT-1, while its upgraded version, the T-90AM, has no substantial improvements, according to Norinco. The VT-4's wide recognition on the international tank market is forcing Russia to put its cutting-edge T-14 on the market to change the situation, the company said.
Russia debuted the T-14 Armata on May 9 during a grand parade to celebrate the 70th anniversary of victory in World War II. Russian media noted that the weapon was the first fourth-generation tank to enter service globally, saying it would be one of the most powerful tanks in the future battlefield.
However, the assertion is being challenged by Norinco, which claims the Russian tank is weaker than the Chinese VT-4 in terms of automation, mobility, fire-control systems and cost competitiveness.
"The T-14's transmission is not well-developed, as we saw through a malfunction taking place during a rehearsal before the May 9 parade. By comparison, the VT-4 has never encountered such problems so far," Norinco said in the WeChat article. "Our tanks also have world-class fire-control systems, which the Russians are still trying to catch up with."
It continued: "Another important issue is the price - the T-14 is reported to have a price as high as that of the United States' M1A2 Abrams. ... Why don't buyers consider Chinese tanks that have well-developed technologies and equipment as well as much-lower prices?"
Features touted
To further influence potential buyers, Liu Song, a senior manager of research and development at Norinco, touted other VT-4 features: strong firepower as well as a cutting-edge data exchange network.
"It has an advanced fire-control instrument, a new-type active protection system and a state-of-the-art, fully automatic transmission device," he said. "In addition, the inter-unit network connects commanders of tanks and armored vehicles under a combat group, enabling them to share battlefield data in a real-time manner."
According to Feng Yibai, chief designer of the VT-4, the tank is equipped with an electronic-controlled diesel engine with 1,200 horsepower, giving the tank a cruise speed of 68 km per hour. Its main gun is a 125-mm smoothbore that can fire various shells, including kinetic energy penetrators and high-explosive anti-tank warheads. It can fire anti-tank missiles with a maximum range of 5,000 meters.
Even with heavy protective armor and strong firepower, the tank is much lighter in weight - 52 metric tons to 60 tons for its foreign rivals - making the VT-4 much faster, Feng said.
The VT-4 can compete with any first-class tank used by Western militaries, including the US M1A2 Abrams and Germany's Leopard 2A6, Liu said.
During a promotional event in August in the Inner Mongolia autonomous region, diplomats, military officials and defense contractors from 44 countries were shown a field performance by the VT-4 tanks and some other combat vehicles made by Norinco.
"Several countries have expressed interest in the VT-4 after their officials saw the tank's display, and we are negotiating with them on this matter," Liu said, without providing more details.
Feng said Pakistan's army will test the tank.
Rising competitor
Pakistan will not be alone in deploying the VT-4, as the tank will have strong appeal to Middle Eastern countries, according to Shi Yang, an independent military observer in Beijing.
One of VT-4's predecessors, the VT-1, has been in service in several nations, including Pakistan, Morocco, Bangladesh and Myanmar, and Norinco is sparing no effort to promote it to more buyers, especially developing countries, foreign media reported.
China also is developing a new-generation light tank specifically designed for operations in mountainous regions. The tank is equipped with a hydropneumatic suspension system that ensures better maneuverability and higher survivability, an earlier report said.
China exported a total of 461 tanks from 1992 to 2013, according to the United Nations' Register of Conventional Arms, which began to record conventional weapons transfers between UN member states in 1992. Pakistan bought 296 Chinese tanks during the two decades.
Russia sold 1,297 tanks during the same period, with Algeria being the largest buyer.
The biggest tank exporter during the period was the United States, which reported sales of 5,511 tanks. It was followed by Germany, which sold 2,680 tanks.
In 2013, the latest year for which data is available, China sold 98 tanks to foreign buyers. Bangladesh, with a 44-tank deal, was the largest customer through, the UN said.
This is basically quoting one company's sales pitch against another's, I don't think there is any trustworthy comparison to be found here.
The most interesting thing in the article is in the sales numbers of tanks over time across exporters. It shows that it pays to have richer allies or customers, have allies in the first place and thereby default partners or customers, and to have the money to basically pay yourself and subsidize your own arms industry via foreign military aid to allies or customers to buy your own arms. It is much more difficult to make money off of straightforward sales even with bartering, especially selling to the low end of the market.
Miragedriver
Brigadier
Argentina purchase Chinese armored vehicles, Norinco VN 1
(Defensa.com) A total of 110 armored vehicles VN 1 of Chinese origin has been acquired for the China North Industries Group (Norinco). The negotiations took place within the program of cooperation with China in the area of defense, consisting of different projects, one of them producing eight-wheeled armored vehicles (8x8). The contract, in addition to the 110 vehicles includes the joint production of armored 8 wheels VN 1, which will be assembled in the yard Tandanor-CINAR, with the aim of increasing the allocation of forces and the ability to export to countries in the region . Serve to transport Army troops and Marines, also the police could employ as a platform for rapid mobilization. The first vehicles will be used by the Binational Southern Cross Force and the rest by the Tenth Infantry Brigade of the Argentine Army, in the center of the country.
The Norinco VN 1 shall be equipped with a 12.7 mm machine gun, the vehicle weight is around 21 tons and can carry 11 soldiers with full equipment, leads a crew of three men. The shield according to the manufacturer says, protects against piercing projectile of 7,62 mm on the front supports and 12.7 mm projectiles. He came to the preliminary selection for a debate among experts about whether it was better traction wheels or caterpillar. Won rolled option in the case of a 8x8, damage or malfunction combat one or more tires but not limited mobility occurs stopping the vehicle as would occur with a caterpillar version. Another significant element in countries reduced budgets is reduced maintenance costs, since the system of wheels has a lower cost of maintaining the caterpillar.
Venezuela was the first country on the continent in Chinese armored buy VN 1 in the framework of a strategic agreement similar to that signed the Argentina China. In 2012 Hugo Chavez approved 500 million debt with the Chinese Fund for the project "Acquiring weapons for the upgrade, retrofit and reorganization of the Bolivarian Marines." The last official visit of Cristina Kirchner to Beijing earlier this year and ratification of the agreement strategic partnership between Argentina and China ushered in the stage of defense cooperation as agreed in the Memorandum of Understanding on Cooperation in Logistics Defense.
The project will bring with it a certain change in the strategic perception that the military had when determining choose the provider to comply with requirements military materiel. Although at the time was tested CZ-11 helicopters, which did not perform as expected, there is exchange of information with other materials that are being offered at this time.
China hopes the disbursement of the initial tranche of the contract (6.5 million dollars) to spend the document and intentions to the completion of the first batch of armored vehicles VN 1 for the Argentine Army. Although the Argentine military in general do not like Chinese material, there is a political decision to get some elements of that origin. The formal act of closing the negotiations by armored fulfilled between Norinco president and the secretary of Science, Technology and Production of the Ministry of Defense, Santiago Rodriguez, also attended by military authorities of the Joint Chiefs and the three armed forces .
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(Defensa.com) A total of 110 armored vehicles VN 1 of Chinese origin has been acquired for the China North Industries Group (Norinco). The negotiations took place within the program of cooperation with China in the area of defense, consisting of different projects, one of them producing eight-wheeled armored vehicles (8x8). The contract, in addition to the 110 vehicles includes the joint production of armored 8 wheels VN 1, which will be assembled in the yard Tandanor-CINAR, with the aim of increasing the allocation of forces and the ability to export to countries in the region . Serve to transport Army troops and Marines, also the police could employ as a platform for rapid mobilization. The first vehicles will be used by the Binational Southern Cross Force and the rest by the Tenth Infantry Brigade of the Argentine Army, in the center of the country.
The Norinco VN 1 shall be equipped with a 12.7 mm machine gun, the vehicle weight is around 21 tons and can carry 11 soldiers with full equipment, leads a crew of three men. The shield according to the manufacturer says, protects against piercing projectile of 7,62 mm on the front supports and 12.7 mm projectiles. He came to the preliminary selection for a debate among experts about whether it was better traction wheels or caterpillar. Won rolled option in the case of a 8x8, damage or malfunction combat one or more tires but not limited mobility occurs stopping the vehicle as would occur with a caterpillar version. Another significant element in countries reduced budgets is reduced maintenance costs, since the system of wheels has a lower cost of maintaining the caterpillar.
Venezuela was the first country on the continent in Chinese armored buy VN 1 in the framework of a strategic agreement similar to that signed the Argentina China. In 2012 Hugo Chavez approved 500 million debt with the Chinese Fund for the project "Acquiring weapons for the upgrade, retrofit and reorganization of the Bolivarian Marines." The last official visit of Cristina Kirchner to Beijing earlier this year and ratification of the agreement strategic partnership between Argentina and China ushered in the stage of defense cooperation as agreed in the Memorandum of Understanding on Cooperation in Logistics Defense.
The project will bring with it a certain change in the strategic perception that the military had when determining choose the provider to comply with requirements military materiel. Although at the time was tested CZ-11 helicopters, which did not perform as expected, there is exchange of information with other materials that are being offered at this time.
China hopes the disbursement of the initial tranche of the contract (6.5 million dollars) to spend the document and intentions to the completion of the first batch of armored vehicles VN 1 for the Argentine Army. Although the Argentine military in general do not like Chinese material, there is a political decision to get some elements of that origin. The formal act of closing the negotiations by armored fulfilled between Norinco president and the secretary of Science, Technology and Production of the Ministry of Defense, Santiago Rodriguez, also attended by military authorities of the Joint Chiefs and the three armed forces .
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SinoSoldier
Colonel
Argentina purchase Chinese armored vehicles, Norinco VN 1
(Defensa.com) A total of 110 armored vehicles VN 1 of Chinese origin has been acquired for the China North Industries Group (Norinco). The negotiations took place within the program of cooperation with China in the area of defense, consisting of different projects, one of them producing eight-wheeled armored vehicles (8x8). The contract, in addition to the 110 vehicles includes the joint production of armored 8 wheels VN 1, which will be assembled in the yard Tandanor-CINAR, with the aim of increasing the allocation of forces and the ability to export to countries in the region . Serve to transport Army troops and Marines, also the police could employ as a platform for rapid mobilization. The first vehicles will be used by the Binational Southern Cross Force and the rest by the Tenth Infantry Brigade of the Argentine Army, in the center of the country.
The Norinco VN 1 shall be equipped with a 12.7 mm machine gun, the vehicle weight is around 21 tons and can carry 11 soldiers with full equipment, leads a crew of three men. The shield according to the manufacturer says, protects against piercing projectile of 7,62 mm on the front supports and 12.7 mm projectiles. He came to the preliminary selection for a debate among experts about whether it was better traction wheels or caterpillar. Won rolled option in the case of a 8x8, damage or malfunction combat one or more tires but not limited mobility occurs stopping the vehicle as would occur with a caterpillar version. Another significant element in countries reduced budgets is reduced maintenance costs, since the system of wheels has a lower cost of maintaining the caterpillar.
Venezuela was the first country on the continent in Chinese armored buy VN 1 in the framework of a strategic agreement similar to that signed the Argentina China. In 2012 Hugo Chavez approved 500 million debt with the Chinese Fund for the project "Acquiring weapons for the upgrade, retrofit and reorganization of the Bolivarian Marines." The last official visit of Cristina Kirchner to Beijing earlier this year and ratification of the agreement strategic partnership between Argentina and China ushered in the stage of defense cooperation as agreed in the Memorandum of Understanding on Cooperation in Logistics Defense.
The project will bring with it a certain change in the strategic perception that the military had when determining choose the provider to comply with requirements military materiel. Although at the time was tested CZ-11 helicopters, which did not perform as expected, there is exchange of information with other materials that are being offered at this time.
China hopes the disbursement of the initial tranche of the contract (6.5 million dollars) to spend the document and intentions to the completion of the first batch of armored vehicles VN 1 for the Argentine Army. Although the Argentine military in general do not like Chinese material, there is a political decision to get some elements of that origin. The formal act of closing the negotiations by armored fulfilled between Norinco president and the secretary of Science, Technology and Production of the Ministry of Defense, Santiago Rodriguez, also attended by military authorities of the Joint Chiefs and the three armed forces .
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Interesting, but the lady is holding a model of the ZBL09 variant, with a 30 mm autocannon, rather than the VN1 APC variant.
Miragedriver
Brigadier
SinoSoldier
Colonel
It is a conciliatory gift
Oh, I see; thank you!
