Chinese MALE, HALE (and rotary, small, suicide) UAV/UCAV thread

Wrought

Wrought

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AssassinsMace said:
Where did I say they're incapable? You're the one so gung ho over suppression fire. That usually means the side that suppression fire is aimed at stays in place hiding because like you say, they don't want to be hit. When they move around, they're exposing themselves.
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AssassinsMace said:
It is irrelevant when you're dead.
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Human snipers are perfectly capable of killing people, and according to you, this makes it irrelevant. So why aren't armies purely composed of snipers? Why do humans bother with suppressive fire?

I'm not gung ho about suppressive fire. I'm just pointing out the obvious fact that it's easier to make a less precise platform to solve a less difficult problem. You don't seem to understand that, so I'm trying to explain it by way of comparing human snipers.
 
AssassinsMace

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Wrought said:
You said:



Human snipers are perfectly capable of killing people, and according to you, this makes it irrelevant. So why aren't armies purely composed of snipers? Why do humans bother with suppressive fire?
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A drone sniper at night is more versatile and can get closer.
 
AssassinsMace

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valysre said:
If in response to the hiding from drones, the soldiers can hear the direction of the drone, they will put something between them and the drone. Thus, sound will help them.
If in response to the wakey-wakey shots, the soldiers can hear the direction of the drone, they will still wake up because of gunfire, thus preventing them from getting sleep and conducting excellent psychological attrition.

Not sure how this is relevant to what I've said. Doesn't matter if you can see targets if there's a tree between you and the target. By the way, has it occurred to you that drones show up pretty bright on FLIR too? Electric motors are pretty hot.

The soldier hears the drone slowly moving (because it's not going to move fast with a 5kg gun strapped to it), and then repositions to have cover between him and the drone.
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I think that you have become infatuated with this hi-tech sci-fi concept of autonomous killer drones operating in situations that humans are less suited for, without considering that all the examples that you cite of autonomous killer drones are much simpler (flying grenade simple) than your idea.
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And a drone with FLIR will see them easily.

That's assuming you can hear them as easily as you think. Look at footage from Ukraine. They have soldiers are moving out in the open and they don't seem hear the drones watching them.

And you would assume soldiers can easily handle drones but they don't. You assume that a soldier would have FLIR to spot them. A drone flying around is faster than a soldier crawling on the ground.

A soldier at night is a whole lot easier to spot with FLIR on a drone against a soldier that might or might not have FLIR to use.

Where did I say anything about autonomous? They don't need it now in Ukraine to spot the enemy.
 
Wrought

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AssassinsMace said:
More targets to hit.
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Close enough, I guess. Because there are other roles which need to be filled, which includes ones which are more vulnerable to being hit. Just like drones perform roles other than sniping. Because they need to be done. And one of those roles is suppressive fire. Your original question:

AssassinsMace said:
Then why put a machine gun on a flying drone at all?
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Because it fills a necessary role.
 
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