Chinese MALE, HALE (and rotary, small, suicide) UAV/UCAV thread

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AVIC Group's 601 Shenyang Institute is studying a new carrier missile designed to deploy a swarm of 80 drones. The carrier missile is 7m long, 1m in diameter, and weighs 2.5t. Each
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is 60cm long with a mass of 5kg.


Hmm?! I thought we came to the conclusion that strange pod carried by this J-11B would be just for a movie?
But now this ... pure coincidence?

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Hmm?! I thought we came to the conclusion that strange pod carried by this J-11B would be just for a movie?
But now this ... pure coincidence?

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Why would the two be related?

The study that Henri K posted describes a 2.5 ton missile that is 7 meters long and 1m in diameter, which carries and deploys 80 micro UAVs.

The pod on that J-11B is nothing, and much smaller than a 7m long, 1m diameter missile. Also, the two do not even look particularly similar. Not to mention the wider part of the J-11B pod is at the rear of the pod, whereas the wider part of the 7m UAV missile is at the nose/front.


Are you suggesting that there is a minor similarity between the two that they are somehow related?

I would say that the two shouldn't even be spoken of in the same sentence, and if we want to be generous about it, any two random missiles or pods could be described as "similar".



..... which is to say, the J-11B pod (whatever it was), IMO is not relevant or related to this 7m UAV missile.
 
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Deino

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Why would the two be related?

The study that Henri K posted describes a 2.5 ton missile that is 7 meters long and 1m in diameter, which carries and deploys 80 micro UAVs.

The pod on that J-11B is nothing, and much smaller than a 7m long, 1m diameter missile. Also, the two do not even look particularly similar. Not to mention the wider part of the J-11B pod is at the rear of the pod, whereas the wider part of the 7m UAV missile is at the nose/front.


Are you suggesting that there is a minor similarity between the two that they are somehow related?

I would say that the two shouldn't even be spoken of in the same sentence, and if we want to be generous about it, any two random missiles or pods could be described as "similar".



..... which is to say, the J-11B pod (whatever it was), IMO is not relevant or related to this 7m UAV missile.


Sorry, I missed the text added with the dimensions ... I only saw the similar shape and especially rear end.
 

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Brochures on unmanned transport UAVs.

FH-98 large fixed wing UAV
- Max takeoff weight: 5250kg
- Payload: 1500kg
- Ceiling: 4500m
- Cruising speed: 150 - 180km/h
- Endurance: 8 hours
- Takeoff distance: ≤400m
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FP-985 long-range fixed wing UAV
- Max takeoff weight: 5700kg
- Payload: 2000kg
- Ceiling: 8000m
- Endurance: 8 hours
- Cruising speed: 220 - 260km/h
- Takeoff distance: ≤500m
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looks like BZK-005H (or BH since it is the improved model featuring the chin mounted SAR antenna) number 09 with low visibility markings.

"A China PLA BZK-005 drone conducted flight operations from East China Sea north of Taiwan to Philippine Sea south of Japan's Sakishima Islands on Aug. 28. It later transited towards Bashi Channel westbound."

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looks like BZK-005H (or BH since it is the improved model featuring the chin mounted SAR antenna) number 09 with low visibility markings.

"A China PLA BZK-005 drone conducted flight operations from East China Sea north of Taiwan to Philippine Sea south of Japan's Sakishima Islands on Aug. 28. It later transited towards Bashi Channel westbound."

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Maybe an interesting comparison of a regular BZK-005 (here a BZK-005H in PLAN NA service) featuring the standard FLIR/CCD camera-turret installed underneath the nose and the improved BZK-005B (or maybe called BH since in naval service too) featuring the chin mounted SAR antenna.

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A brochure page on the entire lineup of Spirit Falcon (灵隼) family of VTOL UAVs. I don't have time to translate everything, but under the image of each drone, the text printed in yellow/orange indicates its endurance in hours. Below that and contained in light gray shades are four lines of text indicating 1) the highest wind state (Beaufort scale?) under which the drone is capable of operating; 2) useful payload in kg; 3) ceiling in meters; 4) distance in km at which the drone is capable of transmitting zero-latency high-definition video.

ZT-3VS, -16V, -25V, and -60V are all electrically driven. ZT-39V and -60VS are hybrids. ZT-100V uses heavy fuel, and ZT-500H uses light oil (presumably gasoline).

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A brochure page on the entire lineup of Spirit Falcon (灵隼) family of VTOL UAVs. I don't have time to translate everything, but under the image of each drone, the text printed in yellow/orange indicates its endurance in hours. Below that and contained in light gray shades are four lines of text indicating 1) the highest wind state (Beaufort scale?) under which the drone is capable of operating; 2) useful payload in kg; 3) ceiling in meters; 4) distance in km at which the drone is capable of transmitting zero-latency high-definition video.

ZT-3VS, -16V, -25V, and -60V are all electrically driven. ZT-39V and -60VS are hybrids. ZT-100V uses heavy fuel, and ZT-500H uses light oil (presumably gasoline).

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At a glance hybrid drive/oil burning UAVs have like 5X the endurance of battery powered UAVs, I wonder what the cost differential is between them since at a certain size it would make no sense to construct a battery powered UAV.
 

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At a glance hybrid drive/oil burning UAVs have like 5X the endurance of battery powered UAVs, I wonder what the cost differential is between them since at a certain size it would make no sense to construct a battery powered UAV.
Is probably simplier to use a full electric setup for small size but when size go up, hybrid drive/oil burning UAVs is just way better. Maybe there's some advantage to use full electric to limit noise in some situation but having a battery is way costlier than a fuel tank...
 
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