Chinese Hypersonic Developments (HGVs/HCMs)

Wrought

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Biscuits said:
The writer is just an American citizen coping, like how some Chinese people were saying China can make aircraft carriers but choose not to, because it's "an useless weapon only good for fighting third world countries".
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Yes, that is a good analogy. US doctrine relies heavily on projecting airpower overseas, therefore they field many carriers. Chinese doctrine relies heavily on long-range precision fires, therefore they field many hypersonic missiles. The two capabilities must be considered within the context of the systems they operate in, not compared directly like some kind of STR or DEX stat.
 
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Wrought said:
Yes, that is a good analogy. US doctrine relies heavily on projecting airpower overseas, therefore they field many carriers. Chinese doctrine relies heavily on long-range precision fires, therefore they field many hypersonic missiles. The two capabilities must be considered within the context of the systems they operate in, not compared directly like some kind of STR or DEX stat.
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And this is exactly why US is deploying a multi-orbit (LEO, MEO, GEO) network of space sensors that can detect and track PLA ballistic and hypersonic missiles from both ground/space and CN is deploying a multi-orbit constellation of SIGINT/OPTICAL/SAR/IR sats to detect and track USN ships worldwide..
 
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Some discussion regarding China's sub-orbital/hypersonic strike aircraft/bombers(?).

By @伏尔戈星图 on Weibo.

这两玩意是我国实行高超音速打击，丢武器的两大路线方案

第一个是二级载入，不可自主起降，二级飞行器无法投掷高超武器的，但是方案成本更高，涉及项目更广，目前进度很差劲。一级载具非常大，二级载具小。

第二个是自主起降，tbcc发动机，飞行器大小比较适中，可以在4m情况下丢高超武器。

目前后者配套文章非常多，并且项目进展更。
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These two things are China’s two major route plans for implementing hypersonic strikes and lobbing weapons.

The first one is a two-staged loading, which cannot take-off and land autonomously. The 2nd stage aircraft cannot throw sophisticated weapons(??). Yet, the cost of the plan is higher and it involves a wider range of projects/subjects/factors. The current progress is very poor. The 1st-stage vehicle is very large, and the 2nd stage vehicle is small.

The second one is (capable of) taking off and landing autonomously, equipped with TBCC engine. The aircraft is relatively moderate in size and can throw advanced weapons at 4m (here I assume is Mach 4).

At present, there are many supporting articles for the latter, and the progress for the project is more rapid.
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Some more comments from him:
1. The former route is likely related to the well-known Tengyun reusable spacecraft.
2. The former route has a manned 1st stage and unmanned 2nd stage (simulates X-37-like mode). The latter route is completely unmanned.
3. Suggested that more sources regarding the above can be dug from the likes of CASIC and NWPU research archives.

Towards the end of his post, he seems to be ridiculing about the mention/idea of the JH-XX, though I won't discuss that matter here.

Last but not least, because of my rather less well-informed understanding on this matter and considering @伏尔戈星图's reputation, I would suggest taking the above information with the usual caveats.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Some discussion regarding China's sub-orbital/hypersonic strike aircraft/bombers(?).

By @伏尔戈星图 on Weibo.



Roughly translated:


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Some more comments from him:
1. The former route is likely related to the well-known Tengyun reusable spacecraft.
2. The former route has a manned 1st stage and unmanned 2nd stage (simulates X-37-like mode). The latter route is completely unmanned.
3. Suggested that more sources regarding the above can be dug from the likes of CASIC and NWPU research archives.

Towards the end of his post, he seems to be ridiculing about the mention/idea of the JH-XX, though I won't discuss that matter here.

Last but not least, because of my rather less well-informed understanding on this matter and considering @伏尔戈星图's reputation, I would suggest taking the above information with the usual caveats.
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I think "sophisticated weapons" should be hypersonic weapons. Not sure why it translated "高超武器” this way.

The same with "advanced weapons" for the second one.

I also think hypersonic weapons are referring to maneuverable weapons like HGVs, and not necessarily weapons capable of traveling at hypersonic speeds at some point in their trajectory.
 
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escobar said:
And this is exactly why US is deploying a multi-orbit (LEO, MEO, GEO) network of space sensors that can detect and track PLA ballistic and hypersonic missiles from both ground/space and CN is deploying a multi-orbit constellation of SIGINT/OPTICAL/SAR/IR sats to detect and track USN ships worldwide..
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bistatic/multistatic radar or sonars are the next future technology to detect stealth.
You can say that is the technology comes after AESA.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Some discussion regarding China's sub-orbital/hypersonic strike aircraft/bombers(?).

By @伏尔戈星图 on Weibo.

Roughly translated:

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Some more comments from him:
1. The former route is likely related to the well-known Tengyun reusable spacecraft.
2. The former route has a manned 1st stage and unmanned 2nd stage (simulates X-37-like mode). The latter route is completely unmanned.
3. Suggested that more sources regarding the above can be dug from the likes of CASIC and NWPU research archives.

Towards the end of his post, he seems to be ridiculing about the mention/idea of the JH-XX, though I won't discuss that matter here.

Last but not least, because of my rather less well-informed understanding on this matter and considering @伏尔戈星图's reputation, I would suggest taking the above information with the usual caveats.
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He has deleted his post. Did we just got taken for a ride?
 
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taxiya

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
He has deleted his post. Did we just got taken for a ride?
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Yes, the original post is totally wild and baseless.

这两玩意是我国实行高超音速打击，丢武器的两大路线方案

第一个是二级载入，不可自主起降，二级飞行器无法投掷高超武器的，但是方案成本更高，涉及项目更广，目前进度很差劲。一级载具非常大，二级载具小。

第二个是自主起降，tbcc发动机，飞行器大小比较适中，可以在4m情况下丢高超武器。

目前后者配套文章非常多，并且项目进展更。

From going through his post, I think he doesn't know anything more than what is available on the net such as some study papers and diagrams. He then make a wild imagination such as "something fly -> space plane -> space bomber". The botom line is that no such papers will openly say that their craft is meant to be a space bomber even it can be. So all his conclusion is based on his wish, not because the paper says so or the technology in discussion is exclusive for dropping bomb. By his way of thinking, he will say CZ-10 is a moon bomber.

I suggest not to quote his weibo post here in the future, except if he posted some paper that isn't known by us, but not his conclusion/assertion etc.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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taxiya said:
Yes, the original post is totally wild and baseless.

这两玩意是我国实行高超音速打击，丢武器的两大路线方案

第一个是二级载入，不可自主起降，二级飞行器无法投掷高超武器的，但是方案成本更高，涉及项目更广，目前进度很差劲。一级载具非常大，二级载具小。

第二个是自主起降，tbcc发动机，飞行器大小比较适中，可以在4m情况下丢高超武器。

目前后者配套文章非常多，并且项目进展更。
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Fvcking hell... I guess that's a much-needed timely reminder of his unreliability!
 
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China has established a near-space command equipped with a professional hypersonic weapons force that reports directly to the highest level of the military, according to a recently published paper. The new force joins the People’s Liberation Army’s army, air force, navy and rocket branches.
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The researchers said the command would be equipped to carry out “merciless” attacks on critical targets, as well as high-altitude surveillance around the globe through automated drones and spy balloons. “The near-space force operates in a special battlefield. Actions carried out in sensitive areas or over the territory of other countries may trigger political or diplomatic reactions,” they said.
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