Chinese Grenade Launcher II

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postmanishere

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the corner said:
the PLA solider believe one thing : taking something heavy is much better than lack of firepower(PLA is enough of lack of firepower,some "mad" officer even want 12.7MG in a infantry squad) in action.And the other solider in same squad can also help to take more grenade(one mag everone——after all ,that " poor shmuck "'s toy might save the squad members' life).

and, it's mainly used to anti firing point and light vehicles ——after all ,lt is much more accurate and range is langer——with smaller fire trace than the 69（RPG）an PF 89。

i got no idea did this toy tested in the gulf of Aden （many new small arms are tested there）by the navy SpeO(not the marine corps)，but i think,yes,it did.
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one thing ,QLU11 is not there to replace type 69 or PF89 rocket launchers....pf89 are similar to AT4, a one-shot rocket that can damage a hard target in the right condition,and you need to note that pf89 won't replace type69 neither,pf89 are issued to riflemen and do not require a dedicated team to operate them...
type 69 is to be replaced by the pf98,a 120mm reusable rocket launcher that came with simple FCS package which giving infantry company a real shot at hard targets,since PLA seems not very eager to equip infantry company with suitable ATGMs,pf98 is infantry company's best shot at hard targets.....(there are two configurations of pf98 now,original one came with tripod and equips to battalion fire-support elements which has better fcs package,another is the bi-pod version that equips a 2 or 3 men rocket team in a company fire-support element). the real sick thing is that new doctrine of mechanized infantry called for equipping pf98s all the way to squad level....
QLU11 does not have the potential to damage or destroy a real hard target,and most definitely not to equip infantry squads....they are more likely to equip to company or battalion level....
 
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Well... I think that system is use to aid in anti-tank missiles system or make it easy for an air strike. Making it look and feel like a weapon might ease handling and making it easier for the soldiers to hold, aim and activate.
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his photo shows a OICW style prototype 5.8+ unknown caliber(some say 20mm) programmable grenade combo weapon system...
interestingly due to weight control,newer prototypes' grenadeonly chambers one round with no magazine...because trail show that due to the fact that fcs package takes time to calculate the aim,magazine version's effectiveness is diminished(trail with magazine fed version shows even with a mag,you should not fire multiple round in rapid succession,because user need to wait the fcs to calculate next aim after fire one round),so the one-round system is favored because it's noticeably lighter and more reliable...
 
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The QLU-11 has a western/US counterpart: The 25mm XM109 Payload rifle.

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Basically, a long range anti-material weapon taken to the extreme. Only difference is that the Chinese variant has a more powerful grenade and takes advantage of the YMA-10 series of integrated fire-control optics also used on the QBU-10 12.7mm Anti-Material Sniper Weapon.

In the photos showing PLA Marines testing these weapons, it could indicate that China is indeed envisioning it to be used to engage light armor with HEDP rounds. I can imagine PLA Marines using those to repell Japanese amphibious vehicles attempting to retake the Diaoyu Islands. For once, the AAV-7 that they have purchased isnt very well armored at all, as usual for amphibious infantry carriers. A 35mm HEDP grenade could easily penetrate even the frontal armor at maximum range, something the Type 69s and PF89s usually carried by the Marines arent able to at that distance, while being lighter and more flexible than those heavy HJ-8Es or the equally (relatively) low ranged PF-98 120mm RRs.

But in general, I expect the PLA Marines to be the first to receive the new HJ-12 Sino-Javelin fire and forget top attack missiles, rendering all previous infantry ATGM systems obsolete. Though, such a expensive weapon might not be worth those Japanese AAV-7s, which brings us back to the QLU-11...

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postmanishere said:
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this thing has already receive the official designation QLU-11....Q for firearm L for grenade launcher Q for sniper....
speculation and rumors to its usage on chinese forums are

QLU11 are accurate medium to long range infantry support weapon that has an effective single target range up to 800-1000M,can engage group targets up to 1500M-2000M...basically,it is a beef-up 50cal sniper rifle with quite a boom and a shorter effective range.
QLU11s are the result of unsatisfying accuracy of chinese sniper/marksmen rifle

chinese military-buff netizens jokingly states the weapon's design logic is like this:
"We can't make good accurate sniper rifles,so screw it,just make a long-barrel,super-sonic muzzle-velocity,35MM programmable grenade launcher that came with built-in laser-range finders and ballistic computer instead....so we don't need to hit the target in the head from 800m away,we just need it to hit the same room and be done with it,and we don't need all that messy sniper shooting training.......
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I am not sure that case has anything to Stand on. First the PLA doctrine doesn't employ snipers preferring designated marksmen. Second Norinco it seems has any number of options for bolt action and semiautomatic sniper rifles including a number that have very modern features like the JS762. If the PLA wanted snipers I am sure they could create them and rifles for them. Your not going to get laser accuracy but even top western sniper system have there faults.
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The QLU-11 has a western/US counterpart: The 25mm XM109 Payload rifle.

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Basically, a long range anti-material weapon taken to the extreme. Only difference is that the Chinese variant has a more powerful grenade and takes advantage of the YMA-10 series of integrated fire-control optics also used on the QBU-10 12.7mm Anti-Material Sniper Weapon.

In the photos showing PLA Marines testing these weapons, it could indicate that China is indeed envisioning it to be used to engage light armor with HEDP rounds. I can imagine PLA Marines using those to repell Japanese amphibious vehicles attempting to retake the Diaoyu Islands. For once, the AAV-7 that they have purchased isnt very well armored at all, as usual for amphibious infantry carriers. A 35mm HEDP grenade could easily penetrate even the frontal armor at maximum range, something the Type 69s and PF89s usually carried by the Marines arent able to at that distance, while being lighter and more flexible than those heavy HJ-8Es or the equally (relatively) low ranged PF-98 120mm RRs.

But in general, I expect the PLA Marines to be the first to receive the new HJ-12 Sino-Javelin fire and forget top attack missiles, rendering all previous infantry ATGM systems obsolete. Though, such a expensive weapon might not be worth those Japanese AAV-7s, which brings us back to the QLU-11
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systems like the XM109 are still not going to be able to take on armor head to head and even against a AAV the ATGM is the better bet. The QLU 11 is not a armor killer it round wouldn't have the velocity to bunch through the hull. To make a anti armor rifle it would need to be maybe twice as long firing a real heavy cannon round meaning a much longer shell demanding a far longer magazine. If you were talking Humdinga's sure open top vehicle but not a AAV. Its anti personal or ultra light vehicle.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE said:
I am not sure that case has anything to Stand on. First the PLA doctrine doesn't employ snipers preferring designated marksmen. Second Norinco it seems has any number of options for bolt action and semiautomatic sniper rifles including a number that have very modern features like the JS762. If the PLA wanted snipers I am sure they could create them and rifles for them. Your not going to get laser accuracy but even top western sniper system have there faults.
systems like the XM109 are still not going to be able to take on armor head to head and even against a AAV the ATGM is the better bet. The QLU 11 is not a armor killer it round wouldn't have the velocity to bunch through the hull. To make a anti armor rifle it would need to be maybe twice as long firing a real heavy cannon round meaning a much longer shell demanding a far longer magazine. If you were talking Humdinga's sure open top vehicle but not a AAV. Its anti personal or ultra light vehicle.
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first the designation,QLU which literally means sniper grenade launcher,this is official,whether it will be used as a sniper rifle like US military or not(my money is on not),is not the subject matter, QLU11,like QBU88,are officially named sniper weapon...
2nd you are right about PLA normal infantry company don't have or want US Style snipers....But, QLU11 is not mean to actually equip snipers....they are mean to offer medium-long(in terms of infantry range) range accurate direct fire support,much like a heavy 50.cal sniper rifle...considering the cost to mass manufacture a highly accurate 50cal rifle,and the damage potential and the comparable weight between QLU11 and a 50cal sniper rifle,QLU11 system can find its place within PLA,at least in airborne and marines...QLU11 is accurate for a grenade launcher,its accuracy did not(nor need not) come close to compare a true heavy sniper rifle....with relatively cheap fcs package,QLU11 could do much more with its 35MM projectile while only lost some effective range.
 
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systems like the XM109 are still not going to be able to take on armor head to head and even against a AAV the ATGM is the better bet. The QLU 11 is not a armor killer it round wouldn't have the velocity to bunch through the hull. To make a anti armor rifle it would need to be maybe twice as long firing a real heavy cannon round meaning a much longer shell demanding a far longer magazine. If you were talking Humdinga's sure open top vehicle but not a AAV. Its anti personal or ultra light vehicle.
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The QLU-11 doesnt rely on velocity to punch through armor. It has 35mm HEDP grenades for that, which penetrate armor via chemical reaction, ie. shaped charge warheads. Velocity plays no role - it isnt an WWII era AT-rifle, if it is that what you are meaning...
 
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TerraN_EmpirE said:
I am not sure that case has anything to Stand on. First the PLA doctrine doesn't employ snipers preferring designated marksmen. Second Norinco it seems has any number of options for bolt action and semiautomatic sniper rifles including a number that have very modern features like the JS762. If the PLA wanted snipers I am sure they could create them and rifles for them. Your not going to get laser accuracy but even top western sniper system have there faults.
systems like the XM109 are still not going to be able to take on armor head to head and even against a AAV the ATGM is the better bet. The QLU 11 is not a armor killer it round wouldn't have the velocity to bunch through the hull. To make a anti armor rifle it would need to be maybe twice as long firing a real heavy cannon round meaning a much longer shell demanding a far longer magazine. If you were talking Humdinga's sure open top vehicle but not a AAV. Its anti personal or ultra light vehicle.
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I see QLU 11 as a PLA version of XM25
 
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Bltizo said:
I see QLU 11 as a PLA version of XM25
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Generally correct, though I still want to see more evidence supporting that one rumour and manufacturer claim that the new 35mm grenades are programmable, like the ones for the ZH-05 and XM25s etc.

Also, I wonder where and how they would integrade such firecontrols and fuzing systems within the QLU-11...
 
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Insignius said:
Generally correct, though I still want to see more evidence supporting that one rumor and manufacturer claim that the new 35mm grenades are programmable, like the ones for the ZH-05 and XM25s etc.

Also, I wonder where and how they would integrade such firecontrols and fuzing systems within the QLU-11...
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as to programmable or not,there is only rumor
as to FCS package...there is a picture of a interview of LG5(40mm export version from the same manufacturer )
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it states that LG5 the export version already use integrated digital FCS package,and design to fire special high-accuracy grenade(can fire traditional grenade at the loss of accuracy and range),and the pic does show some detail about the fcs
correction,in the same interview,the guy being interviewed stated that LG5 can fire programmables,but did not talk about any detail...
 
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Insignius said:
Generally correct, though I still want to see more evidence supporting that one rumour and manufacturer claim that the new 35mm grenades are programmable, like the ones for the ZH-05 and XM25s etc.

Also, I wonder where and how they would integrade such firecontrols and fuzing systems within the QLU-11...
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They've had AHEAD type technology for quite a while and obviously ZH05 has a programmeable grenade too with integrated FCS. The gun muzzle would presumably have programming coils to set the fuze of the grenade.
 
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