Chinese General news resource thread

[solarz]

Because they're the best. I bet when you went to primary school, your mother told you to find out who the best student in the class was and do what he does. Bet she didn't say "oh sure Johnny got 67% just like you, but we're in the same social-democraphic. So you did well son. Don't compare yourself with Andy, his parents are professors."

My mother didn't anyway. And I think you're selling yourself and the Chinese people short, to say so otherwise.

I have higher hopes for the Chinese Nation.

The best in corruption perception index, perhaps, but certainly not in terms of economy and military defense, which are the two factors that really matter to China.

To take your school analogy, it would be like your mom telling you to compare yourself to the best-dressed kid in class instead of the kid with the best grades.

 

[solarz]

I don't understand what social harmony actually means but a forward looking society should ensure justice for all, equal opportunity and protection under law. Corruption undermines all the basic tenets of these elements that are so important for social cohesion.

Yes it does, but so does many other factors such as poverty, racism, sexism, illiteracy, lack of health care, unemployment, foreign military intervention, terrorism, organized crime, etc. etc.

If we lose sight of those other issues and simply declare "War on Corruption", society would be no better off.

The problem is not in the lack of law, but in enforcement with transparency and accountability in the whole process. They are not mere buzz words but proven principles that counteract corruptive practices. The problem with PRC in recent history is the lack of willingness to enforce until Xi came along and went after the much bigger fish. Enforcement includes transparency in the prosecution and due process observed and that the people found guilty are held accountable according to the standard established by law regardless of influence or power. Lack of transparency in prosecution will invite allegations of witch hunt or dual agenda.

How so?

In the US and other western democracies, the bribing of officials is legislated under lobbying laws. When those lobbyists don't like certain laws, they bribe politicians to change those laws. Witness the US' laws on copyright, which keeps changing under the lobbying of the Disney corporation.

Can you point to examples where the trial and conviction of corrupt officials in China is less than transparent?

 

[broadsword]

Do you have any contact with people actually IN China? There's more juicy details in the Chinese blogsphere than there are in western media. Do you really think western pundits can grasp the intricacies of Chinese domestic politics? Where do you think I got my information from?

Can you post some information here? Especially the people being targetted. One example is not enough. We need a list to paint a profile of the anti-corruption campaign.

 

[broadsword]

I am not the one making the categorical assertion of exclusion. I am just invoking the logic of excluded middle. I don't have to demonstrate facts - just logic.

Then you are as good as making speculations without sound basis.

 

[Equation]

The problem is people start arguing a point and then forget what the original argument was. Then takes things out of context. Here's my orginial qoute. I was answering to the suggestion that the CCP has now changed its ways and is working on being a party of honesty and virtue. My statement was meant to say that corruption has always been around in Chinese officialdom and I don't think the CCP is going to be the dynasty that ends it.

That's the point of that statement.

You mean other country's don't seem to have as much corruptions (according to western media) as China because it wasn't reported? Good government and leaders adapt to the changing of times and needs of the nation and that's what I see in the CPC.

Because they're the best. I bet when you went to primary school, your mother told you to find out who the best student in the class was and do what he does. Bet she didn't say "oh sure Johnny got 67% just like you, but we're in the same social-democraphic. So you did well son. Don't compare yourself with Andy, his parents are professors."

My mother didn't anyway. And I think you're selling yourself and the Chinese people short, to say so otherwise.

I have higher hopes for the Chinese Nation.

US and Japan are in a declining economic state meanwhile New Zealand and Denmark are way too small in population to be compare with China. Don't underestimate the will and resilience of the Chinese people and it's leadership. Other wise why do you think their civilization lasted so long?

 

[Equation]

Oh I dunno. Nordic countries? New Zealand maybe? But of cause, of cause, you would say that China's history and unqiue circumstances does not lend to a fair comparsion. Just like how gun control will never be implmeneted in America due to her unique history and circumstances right? So as America must get use to periodic incidence of gun violence, China must get use to a certain level of corruption...etc etc etc

But America has both gun violence and corruption. I understand you hate the CPC but bashing them as a way to ignore your own governments problem will not solve the problem.

 

[Doombreed]

Can you post some information here? Especially the people being targetted. One example is not enough. We need a list to paint a profile of the anti-corruption campaign.

Ling Jihua was in charge of the guards at Zhong Nan Hai, that makes him the Captain of the Pretorian Guards. When his son crashed his Ferrari, he mobilized the guards to clean up the scene. When that blew up on the Chinese blogosphere, Hu's enemies used it against him and he had to do something. The fact that he got a do-nothing gig is a sign of patronage. Now his whole clan is getting purged.
Taken down!

Zhou Yong Kang. Chief of Internal Security. In charge of the Police, secret police, and public prosecution. Bigger budget than the PLA. For Hu, he was the Hammer, the edge of His Sword, the tip of His Spear, the mail about His Fist, the flight of His Arrows. The right hand of the Chairman, The instrument of His will.
Taken down! Much too powerful of a post for Xi to leave to a Hu/Jiang loyalist.

Lt. Gen Gu Junshan, Deputy Chief of the PLA's General Logistics Department. PLA's Paymaster.
Taken down! A message to the generals. Remember who pays your salary now. The PLA as you know is filled with Jiang loyalists.

Just to name a few off the top of my head.

 

[shen]

On the question of social harmony and China's reforms, I think it is helpful to take a look at Ian Bremmer's application of the J Curve.

 

[Equation]

Ling Jihua was in charge of the guards at Zhong Nan Hai, that makes him the Captain of the Pretorian Guards. When his son crashed his Ferrari, he mobilized the gaurds to clean up the scene. When that blew up on the Chinese blogosphere, Hu's enermie used it against him and he had to do something. The fact that he got a do-nothing gig is a sign of patronage. Now his whole clan is getting pruged.
Taken down!

Zhou Yong Kang. Chief of Internal Security. In charge of the Police, secret police, and public prosecution. Bigger budget than the PLA. For Hu, he was the Hammer, the edge of His Sword, the tip of His Spear, the mail about His Fist, the flight of His Arrows. The right hand of the Chairman, The instrument of His will.
Taken down! Much too powerful of a post for Xi to leave to a Hu/Jiang loyalist.

Lt. Gen Gu Junshan, Deputy Chief of the PLA's General Logistics Department. PLA's Paymaster.
Taken down! A message to the generals. Remember who pays your salary now. The PLA as you know is filled with Jiang loyalists.

Just to name a few off the top of my head.

Hmmm...meanwhile China still stands. What about all those recent corruptions and scandals that's been going on in the US and in other countries recently? Are you only paying attention to China?

 

[Doombreed]

Hmmm...meanwhile China still stands.

What are you on about? Are we even reading the same words? Here I am, getting all excited about the most important thing to happen to Chinese domestic politics and closely watching Xi the chessmaster playing the real life Game of Thrones. And you're interpreting this as someone gloating about the coming downfall of China?

Adjust the lens with which you view the world, my friend. Not every one is out to get you.