Yes, but according to the map this happened on one of the islands in the violently disputed region between SK and NK, SK patrols must be swarming the area.
Guess I'll just wait for more information.
Chinese fisherman accused in Stabbing of S.Korean offical
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Yes, but according to the map this happened on one of the islands in the violently disputed region between SK and NK, SK patrols must be swarming the area.
Guess I'll just wait for more information.
Red___Sword
Junior Member
Most ROCKING map found so far.
The two red dots are the Korean media's "rumormongering" place of the island "小青岛" and the place of incident (the island being used as refferenc of "85km off the island" to indicate the place of incident);
The two green dots are the REAL place of the island "小青岛" and the place of incident(the island being used as refferenc of "85km off the island" to indicate the place of incident);
Despite the two scenario are all NEAR NORTH KOREA'S COAST rather than south - despite that, the two scenario both took place at the "joint administrative" area which marked as purple. At the joint administrative area, both China and South Korea agreed to enforce administrative measure jointly and NOT FORCELY boarding or evicting fishers.
It's all political it turns out, political animals at Seoul would like to use a calculated incident to expand (or make effect) the EEZ claims which supposed to be diplomatically settled (calmed) decades ago already. A couple of unsespecting Chinese fishermen and over-equipted S.Korean maritime polices are just some necessary sacrifice for the cause.
solarz
Brigadier
If this map is true, and the incident occurred in a joint administrative area, then why is China not mentioning this? If the Korean coast guard acted in violation of the enforcement regulations, then the fisherman has a valid case of self-defense.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Maybe the Chinese map is as biased as the South Korean one?
I find it curious how the Chinese would be able to contradict the Korean version of events since the boat and crew are all in SK custody.
The fishing boat might have sent out a mayday when the Koreans tried to board them, but there would be no guarantee that they would have given their real position.
Call me cynical, but I can easily picture a captain illegally fishing in foreign waters being willing to give out false positional data of where his ship was seized (there was no way he could have expected to escape after the coast guard showed up) to try and get the Chinese patrols to step in.
Even if the Chinese map was accurate, with the ship and crew in Korean hands, it could prove difficult for China to prove it's case, and Beijing would not risk stirring up a massive diplomatic storm over this if they were unsure if the Chinese ship was in the right or not.
If the South Koreans announced that they nabbed the ship in disputed waters like the Japanese did, than China need to make a stand or else risk setting a precedent that the Koreans could use later to support their territorial claim. But if they just slipped into disputed waters, nabbed a ship, towed in into Korean waters and then reported the location, there isn't a great deal China can do about it unless they happened to have the whole thing on tape and can prove that that's what happened.
But to suggest that the South Koreans would go to all that trouble to nab a random insignificant Chinese fishing boat to frame the captain seems far fetched to say the least.
If this was an attempt at a land grab, the South Koreans would be gaining nothing by faking the incident as happening firmly in their waters, as that would not advance they claims in any way.
In my view, the far less complicated story of the South Korean coast guard catching a Chinese boat illegally fishing in their waters and the captain just lost it when they tried to seize his boat sounds a great deal more plausible.
People from China do bad things and break the law all the time, just like people from everywhere else, and not everything is a conspiracy.
Red___Sword
Junior Member
Plawolf mentioned:
I think your point is right, but is not the WHOLE point.
Look, when it comes to the most Chinese culture-influenced entity (I can not admit Taiwan as a country do I?), we know how things are NOT GOING TO solved legally or "by the book" style - because the other party read the same "Art of Struggle" book as us did.
If Chinese govt (which have nothing to do with it before the fishermen was "abducted / arrested" {depending which side of fence you are} - it was the fishermen's own acts to go there) steps into the fray, which is "the other guy's chosen battlefield", make a fight on "whether or not the place of incident is within joint administration area, here's my proof..." - that is making a legal struggle - and that legal struggle is going to took place at Korean's court, since the men are held at Korean's hand now. - The best outcome, would be reason win over outrage and racism, and Korean court give the suspects some light terms rather than "murder", everybody is politically satisfied.
First, that's not gonna happen; and second, that's not good enough.
Chinese govt's goal is to upheld territory integrity, get the men to a lighter term is not directly serving that (but to admit S.K's "authority" in the area). Now, as of today, we all know what's an even bigger news of the region, it's regarding a man name starting with "King" - No boday like it, but it is 100% true that everything and anything about Korea Peninsula from now on, it would be even more politically concerned.
So back to the relatively small topic now of Chinese fisherman being assused of bla bla, the seize has been made, the may-be-breach-of-sensitive-water-by-the-S.K govt has been made, the plot been set into motion, I believe, and I believe my government believes, China can not win this fight by law suit, nor to deter S.Korea's furthur breach (if any) into the joint administration area by law suit, so China would simply do any other things that would deter S.Korea and upheld territory integrity more effectively.
Such measure would be like from more Chinese maritime patrols in the area, to more effectively political negotiations with S.K. to maintain the area's (the region's) calm mood.
In a word, the dead S.K maritime police officer and the pending fishermen capitan (and other fishermen), are going to be expended by both side's political animals. Sad but efficient.
I think your point is right, but is not the WHOLE point.
Look, when it comes to the most Chinese culture-influenced entity (I can not admit Taiwan as a country do I?), we know how things are NOT GOING TO solved legally or "by the book" style - because the other party read the same "Art of Struggle" book as us did.
If Chinese govt (which have nothing to do with it before the fishermen was "abducted / arrested" {depending which side of fence you are} - it was the fishermen's own acts to go there) steps into the fray, which is "the other guy's chosen battlefield", make a fight on "whether or not the place of incident is within joint administration area, here's my proof..." - that is making a legal struggle - and that legal struggle is going to took place at Korean's court, since the men are held at Korean's hand now. - The best outcome, would be reason win over outrage and racism, and Korean court give the suspects some light terms rather than "murder", everybody is politically satisfied.
First, that's not gonna happen; and second, that's not good enough.
Chinese govt's goal is to upheld territory integrity, get the men to a lighter term is not directly serving that (but to admit S.K's "authority" in the area). Now, as of today, we all know what's an even bigger news of the region, it's regarding a man name starting with "King" - No boday like it, but it is 100% true that everything and anything about Korea Peninsula from now on, it would be even more politically concerned.
So back to the relatively small topic now of Chinese fisherman being assused of bla bla, the seize has been made, the may-be-breach-of-sensitive-water-by-the-S.K govt has been made, the plot been set into motion, I believe, and I believe my government believes, China can not win this fight by law suit, nor to deter S.Korea's furthur breach (if any) into the joint administration area by law suit, so China would simply do any other things that would deter S.Korea and upheld territory integrity more effectively.
Such measure would be like from more Chinese maritime patrols in the area, to more effectively political negotiations with S.K. to maintain the area's (the region's) calm mood.
In a word, the dead S.K maritime police officer and the pending fishermen capitan (and other fishermen), are going to be expended by both side's political animals. Sad but efficient.