Chinese-European transport helo project

Blitzo

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Z-9D is capable of carrying four small anti ship missiles called TL-10; so basically it's an anti surface variant of Z-9C.

However I'm not sure whether Z-9D can perform SAR and ASW, or if the avionics necessary for firing the missiles took up the rest of the space..
 

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Is this real or psed !????

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Looks quite PSed. And it doesnt make sense that chinese would have it in service (shouldnt some testing pics be available before that?) when even the european variant hasnt entered serial production?

I must say the glacial pace at which z15 project is going is quite unnerving. And we still dont even have any guarantee that it would actually serve in the armed forces. What if chinese companies wont get unlimited licenced production of the engine? Perhaps copying the engine is something that is still holding that programme back...

What is good is news of better performance than expected, it was written awhile back that its mtow has gone little over 7 tons, and that its range figures are really in top of its weight class.

But realistically, at this pace, I don't see z15 entering active service (first 20+ airframes) before 2014/2015.

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which may be old news to some but i managed to miss it. So Harbin chose to develop a whole new engine, possibly from scratch, in cooperation with turbomeca. That is sure to take a while, even if it was started back in 2010. or even 2009. 2015 is looking more likely to me now though, on the bright side, this pretty much confirms z15 is planned to be used for the military.
 
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Deino

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If the pic is small and blurred, 99% of chances are it's PS.

Thought you should be familiar with that already...

YES, I'm guilty and You are right !!!

Sorry for that .... :(

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AC311 receives Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) light civilian helicopter Type Certification. Also receive order for 62 units. Other articles claim total order is now up to 72 units and delivery starts in July. Serial Production to start.

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Totoro

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Maybe this is old news to most, but i just now found out the engine for z15, which as far as i could find will be from turbomeca's engine made in china under name wz16, is basically ardiden3. it is supposed to be a family of subvariants with power raning from 1750 to 2000 hp. Testing will go on through 2013. and certification is expected in 2014. I would guess start of production of wz16 and thus z15 could then start around 2015 with in-service date around 2016.

Good things is that this is a bit more powerful than the pwc engine ec175 will use. even turbomeca says it was made for helicopters 6-8 tons in range. Since ec175 with pwc engines has already increased its weight class to 7,5 tons, it is not unrealistic that z15 with wz16 engine could actually approach 8 ton range.
 

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i might have missed people posting this, but this piece of news has been out there for a while now.

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It's not a surprise that China continues to buy Mi-171E helicopters, since they have served PLA pretty well and are probably cheaper than domestic options.
 

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The reason they continue to buy Mi171 is because China doesn't have any domestic equivalent, Z8 is a lot larger and Z15 doesn't meet PLA's requirement to have a rear loading ramp. The latter is also the reason that a proposal to produce a Blackhawk clone was shot down. If PLA indeed wants to buy Z15 for military purpose it'll be their next gen shipborne helicopter.
 
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