Chinese Engine Development

siegecrossbow

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Just finished listening and heard interesting news about materials from 23:00. It was said that Japanese basic materials were of good quality and that Toray Japan made the materials that were supplied to Ishikawajima Harima Heavy Industries to produce the f110 engine. As far as I remember Japanese engine making is superior to that of China. If ranked US first, Japan second, Russia third and China fourth?
My knowledge of the military is very fragmented. It's a noob

If that’s indeed the case I am guessing the XF-9 must have entered LRIP phase as well?
 

sunnymaxi

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As far as I remember Japanese engine making is superior to that of China. If ranked US first, Japan second, Russia third and China fourth?
My knowledge of the military is very fragmented. It's a noob
is that your analysis or you just took these lines from the conversation ?

apart from materials and some components manufacturing, Japan is no way near China in overall engine making. let alone in top3. LMAO

even in Materials China is at par with Japanese counterparts except in some civilian industries. that too will finish soon.

i think its high time people should stop exaggerating Japanese technology. they are done and dusted.
 

sequ

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Doesn't the F119 lose like 10% of its thurst due to the TVC nozzles? Wouldn't it produce 38500lb thrust with normal nozzles?
 

BoraTas

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Just finished listening and heard interesting news about materials from 23:00. It was said that Japanese basic materials were of good quality and that Toray Japan made the materials that were supplied to Ishikawajima Harima Heavy Industries to produce the f110 engine. As far as I remember Japanese engine making is superior to that of China. If ranked US first, Japan second, Russia third and China fourth?
My knowledge of the military is very fragmented. It's a noob
Chinese and Japanese aviation industries can not be compared directly. Japan does manufacture some really good components but it has few complete systems it is offering. You can see it across the board. They manufacture really good parts for many recent Airbus and Boeing aircraft yet they don't have a C-919 equivalent. It is the same for jet engines too.

The US is the clear leader when it comes to jet engines. If it was 2000 or before I would say the UK was an equivalent of the US but the US pulled ahead of them in recent decades. France is really competitive in civilian engines (CFM is 50% French) but it nowadays doesn't do many independent projects and the Snecma M88 fighter engine is nothing special in 2023. They have very few projects in the pipeline so China will fastly catch-up and surpass them. The WS-15 is better than any military engine they ever came up with and the CJ-1000 will be better than anything France developed on its own.

Russia was in a perpetual catch-up since right after WW2. They fell quite behind especially after 1991. I would say China has surpassed Russia in fighter engines considering the current situation of the Izdeliye 30 project. The new PD-14 high-bypass engine series is no joke though.
 

minusone

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Just finished listening and heard interesting news about materials from 23:00. It was said that Japanese basic materials were of good quality and that Toray Japan made the materials that were supplied to Ishikawajima Harima Heavy Industries to produce the f110 engine. As far as I remember Japanese engine making is superior to that of China. If ranked US first, Japan second, Russia third and China fourth?
My knowledge of the military is very fragmented. It's a noob
Materials advancement has nothing to do with ability to make good engine.......as a matter of fact, Japan has yet to build 1 domestic engine to this day
 

machete

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is that your analysis or you just took these lines from the conversation ?

apart from materials and some components manufacturing, Japan is no way near China in overall engine making. let alone in top3. LMAO

even in Materials China is at par with Japanese counterparts except in some civilian industries. that too will finish soon.

i think its high time people should stop exaggerating Japanese technology. they are done and dusted.
It was something I saw on the internet or in twitter. This is not worth mentioning at all.
 

Kejora

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With WS-15 becoming operational what's the chance of China researching STOVL fighter?
A Yak-141 style fighter with separate engine for hovering probably faster to research than researching F135-PW-600 style engine.
 

machete

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Chinese and Japanese aviation industries can not be compared directly. Japan does manufacture some really good components but it has few complete systems it is offering. You can see it across the board. They manufacture really good parts for many recent Airbus and Boeing aircraft yet they don't have a C-919 equivalent. It is the same for jet engines too.

The US is the clear leader when it comes to jet engines. If it was 2000 or before I would say the UK was an equivalent of the US but the US pulled ahead of them in recent decades. France is really competitive in civilian engines (CFM is 50% French) but it nowadays doesn't do many independent projects and the Snecma M88 fighter engine is nothing special in 2023. They have very few projects in the pipeline so China will fastly catch-up and surpass them. The WS-15 is better than any military engine they ever came up with and the CJ-1000 will be better than anything France developed on its own.

Russia was in a perpetual catch-up since right after WW2. They fell quite behind especially after 1991. I would say China has surpassed Russia in fighter engines considering the current situation of the Izdeliye 30 project. The new PD-14 high-bypass engine series is no joke though.
Thank you very much for explaining. I read about the ws-15 on Twitter and there is no clear idea.
 

tankphobia

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China has no immediate need for STOVL aircraft since they're not looking at projecting power half way around the world with carrier groups, imo investing into VTOL would not be the most appropriate use of a ton of resources.

Osprey esq helicopters for island hopping campaign on the other hand could be useful in the SCS.
 
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