Chinese Engine Development

ACuriousPLAFan

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In fact, there is another important speech in the video, that the development of the 5th generation engine has begun. This may be a variable cycle engine prepared for the 6th generation aircraft.

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Yes.

In fact, just a couple months ago, another famous professor/academician from Chinese Academy of Engineering, who specialized in turbofan engines and involved in the developmental work of Chinese military aviation engines, has talked about the progress of 5th-generation low-bypass turbofan engines as well in a seminar.

As quoted below:
In the seminar, Professor Liu Daxiang actually announced three important milestone achivements regarding China's (military) aviation engines, two of which have been stated here:

1. Chinese (3rd generation) low-bypass turbofan engine procurement has practially achieved self-sufficiency, hence no longer demanding much reliance on imported engines from Russia than ever before; and
2. WS-15, i.e. China's leading 4th-generation low-bypass turbofan engine with thrust-to-weight ratio (TWR) of above 10 has made its maiden flight, albeit not yet fielded on active service J-20s.

Then there is the following:

3a. Next generation (i.e. 5th-generation) low-bypass turbofan engine for use on fighters and bombers with TWR of 12-15;
3b. Next generation turboshaft engine for use on helicopters with power-to-weight ratio (PWR) of 11-12; and
3c. Turbine-based combined cycle engine/Turboramjet engine (TBCC) -
Have achieved key technological breakthroughs in their respective research and development progresses.

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Speaking of 5th-generation turbofan engine (12-15 T/W ratio) for fighters AND bombers, could that be referring to China's 6th-generation fighter and the H-20?
Note point #3a.

The original post on Twitter:

The original full-duration video on the seminar that was posted on Bilibili and shared by @siegecrossbow has been removed from the platform for unknown reasons, unfortunately.
 
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tphuang

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The important thing is that the design is frozen and they didn't find faults with it after test flights with a single engine and are comfortable enough to move forward! That puts it in front of Izdeliye 30 in terms of progress! First time in Chinese aviation engine history, China has beaten Russians to the punch at something!
I completely accept that. I have no issue with the idea that we might see J-20s in production with WS-15 soon. I just find it a little hard to believe it's considered to be ahead of WS-20, because we've already seen WS-20 on Y20s.

but if they are already talking about WS-15 in this way, J-20 should be flying around with WS-15 next year at the latest.
 

siegecrossbow

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I completely accept that. I have no issue with the idea that we might see J-20s in production with WS-15 soon. I just find it a little hard to believe it's considered to be ahead of WS-20, because we've already seen WS-20 on Y20s.

but if they are already talking about WS-15 in this way, J-20 should be flying around with WS-15 next year at the latest.

Maybe there will be multiple variants for WS-20 like how it has been for WS-10. Important thing right now is to boost the Y-20 fleet and any improvement in material can come later. China could no longer afford to wait.
 

test1979

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I completely accept that. I have no issue with the idea that we might see J-20s in production with WS-15 soon. I just find it a little hard to believe it's considered to be ahead of WS-20, because we've already seen WS-20 on Y20s.

but if they are already talking about WS-15 in this way, J-20 should be flying around with WS-15 next year at the latest.
The simplest explanation may be that the test flight ws-20 did not use the latest materials, but with the stabilization of the basic ws-20. Now start using newer and better materials for it.
This is precedent, WS-10 used directional condensing blades at the beginning, and changed to DD6 single crystal blades after 6 years, and the latest WS-10 seems to start using dd9.
 

taxiya

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Investment hearing?by MIIT officials?
Most likely CAEC internal meeting. The people answering question is CAEC material research institute of Beijing, the one asking question seems to be from CAEC headquarter.

Also worth to note, MIIT isn't the boss of CAEC(AVIC). AVIC as a SOE controls its own capital/investment. Injecting capital would be through its owner, the state asset commission, who is on the same rank as MIIT. Therefor, MIIT has no authority over AVIC except some coordination work.
 
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