Engineer
Major
Actually, this video isn't the one I was expecting.
I remember there was a video couple months ago that showed the exact same scene:
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/air-force/ws10a-29-252.html#post97447
Do you have a link for that?
Chinese Engine Development
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I remember there was a video couple months ago that showed the exact same scene:
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/air-force/ws10a-29-252.html#post97447
Do you have a link for that?
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Can anyone find the link to that particular video where this screenshot came from?
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isn't it really uncompetitive to have only one factory producing this? They can basically charge whatever they want, since all the engine assemblies have to order from them.
RedMercury
Junior Member
Um, it's an SOE, it can charge whatever the government wants.
So does that means we cannot easily distinguish between domestic and Russian engines?
I found one source saying the WS-10 was larger than the AL-31. It was also the source that insisted the WS-10 had a wet thrust of 110 KN. Somehow I have trouble believing both.
Skywatcher
Captain
This pretty much throws another spanner into the whole engine issue. That's why I gave up a long time ago. And why the recent change?
As long as more J-10 unit chulk out together with new J-11 regiment while no new order of engines from Russian reported. FWS-10 engines are very much alive.
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90年代初期，随着苏联的解体，中俄关系开始正常化。中国从俄罗斯引进了苏27战斗机，俄罗斯的侧卫成为了中国的蓝鲨。发动机技术的引进也随着侧卫的到来而开始了，从推比7的AL31F到推比10的AL41F都引起了我们的注意，而其中推比12~15的P2000核心机引起了我们强烈的兴趣。P2000是俄罗斯继AL41F之后的新一代发动机计划，它是俄罗斯按照美国的核心机发展思路而开展的核心机计划，通过邀请俄罗斯专家讲课，以及技术引进，我们对俄罗斯的P2000计划有了一定的了解，并交换到一些技术。以此为基础，从90年代初起，我们开始了我们的新的高推计划 我国于1993年开始规划的新一代高性能燃气涡轮动力技术预研计划，其整体技术目标是使发动机单位推力达到120daN·S/kg，推重比提高(涡轴、桨发动机的功重比提高)。该计划包括百余项关键技术，开设了百多个研究课题。该计划目前进展顺利，所获得的技术成果将应用于在役、在研发动机的改进和新一代飞机用发动机的研制。
高推预研共完成上百项关键技术研究课题，开发了几百个计算机程序，取得很大的成绩。虽然这些研究成果的验证并不充分，但大部分已被应用于型号研制和改进改型。通过二个大型预研计划的实践，使我们对预先研究工作的特点及规律有了进一步的认识。通过高推计划，我们也开始了推比10发动机的发展。
推比10核心机的进度
1、 84年开始推重比10发动机预研的技术论证，88年4月召开了预研选题论证会，90年正式立项开题。
2、94年完成了6个总体方案的顶层设计，完成了项目指南和综合论证，93～96年开展对俄合作，并获得俄罗斯P2000的部分技术。
3、基本确定了推重比10发动机总体方案。有些课题，如平均级压比达1。62的三级压气机研究已经取得了良好进展。
4、九五期间我们搞出了推比十发动机的三大高压部件，并于十五期间进入验证型核心机阶段。2005年的春天，激动人心的消息传来，624所历经15年研制的推比10核心机CJ2000点火成功，这为我国的推比10一级的发动机发展打下了坚实的基础，同时根据CJ2000核心机放大或缩小就可以发展出不同推力量级的高性能发动机来。我相信，在不久的将来，我们将会看到装配推比10发动机的新型国产飞机翱翔在祖国的蓝天。
作者:宝二爷想参军
The early 90s, with the disintegration of the Soviet Union, Sino-Russian relations began to normalize. China imported from Russia Su-27 fighter, Russia's flanker become China's blue shark. The introduction of engine technologies also began with the arrival of flanker, from push to push more than 7 AL31F than 10 AL41F have attracted our attention, which pushed the P2000 compared with 12 to 15 core machine caused us a strong interest. P2000 is Russia's next-generation engine after following AL41F plan, which is the core of Russia, according to the U.S. aircraft carried out the core of development thinking machine program, through the invited Russian experts to give lectures, as well as technology transfer, and we plan on Russia's P2000 has some understanding of and exchange to a number of technical. On this basis, from the early 90s, we started our new high-pushed plan to start planning for our country in 1993, a new generation of high-performance gas turbine technology for pre-research program, its overall technical objective is to make the engine unit of thrust to achieve 120daN · S / kg, thrust-weight ratio increased (vortex shaft, propeller engine power weight ratio increased). The plan includes hundreds of items of key technologies, setting up of more than 100 research topics. The plan is proceeding smoothly, the technological achievements gained will be applied in service, in research to improve and a new generation of engines for aircraft engine.
High pushing pre-research completed hundreds of key technology research and development of hundreds of computer programs, achieved great success. Although these research results validation is not sufficient, but most have been used in model development and improvement of modification. Through the two large-scale pre-research program of practical experience, we have pre-study characteristics and have a further understanding of the law. Through high-pushing program, we also began to push the development of more than 10 engines.
To push the progress of more than 10 core machine
1, 84 started the engine thrust-weight ratio 10 pre-research of the technical feasibility studies, and 88 years in April held a pre-feasibility studies on topics of research, 90-year project to open a formal title.
2,94 years, completed the top six overall program design, the completion of the project guidelines and comprehensive verification, 93 ~ 96 years, Russia to carry out cooperation and access to some of Russia's P2000 technology.
3, the basic set the engine thrust-weight ratio 10 the overall program. Some topics, such as the average level pressure ratio of up to 1.62 of the three compressor research has made good progress.
4, in the year during which we come up with a push more than 10 engines of the three high-voltage parts, and in 15 from entering the stage of proof-of-core machine. The spring of 2005, exciting news, 624 developed after 15 years of pushing more than 10 core machine CJ2000 firing was successful, which pushed for the country's engine of more than 10 one laid a solid foundation, while the core according to CJ2000 zoom in or out on the machine can develop a different order of magnitude of high-performance engines to thrust. I believe that in the near future, we will see the assembly to push the engine more than 10 new Chinese-made aircraft flying in the blue sky of the motherland.
Author:Bao Er Ye would like to join the army
90年代初期，随着苏联的解体，中俄关系开始正常化。中国从俄罗斯引进了苏27战斗机，俄罗斯的侧卫成为了中国的蓝鲨。发动机技术的引进也随着侧卫的到来而开始了，从推比7的AL31F到推比10的AL41F都引起了我们的注意，而其中推比12~15的P2000核心机引起了我们强烈的兴趣。P2000是俄罗斯继AL41F之后的新一代发动机计划，它是俄罗斯按照美国的核心机发展思路而开展的核心机计划，通过邀请俄罗斯专家讲课，以及技术引进，我们对俄罗斯的P2000计划有了一定的了解，并交换到一些技术。以此为基础，从90年代初起，我们开始了我们的新的高推计划 我国于1993年开始规划的新一代高性能燃气涡轮动力技术预研计划，其整体技术目标是使发动机单位推力达到120daN·S/kg，推重比提高(涡轴、桨发动机的功重比提高)。该计划包括百余项关键技术，开设了百多个研究课题。该计划目前进展顺利，所获得的技术成果将应用于在役、在研发动机的改进和新一代飞机用发动机的研制。
高推预研共完成上百项关键技术研究课题，开发了几百个计算机程序，取得很大的成绩。虽然这些研究成果的验证并不充分，但大部分已被应用于型号研制和改进改型。通过二个大型预研计划的实践，使我们对预先研究工作的特点及规律有了进一步的认识。通过高推计划，我们也开始了推比10发动机的发展。
推比10核心机的进度
1、 84年开始推重比10发动机预研的技术论证，88年4月召开了预研选题论证会，90年正式立项开题。
2、94年完成了6个总体方案的顶层设计，完成了项目指南和综合论证，93～96年开展对俄合作，并获得俄罗斯P2000的部分技术。
3、基本确定了推重比10发动机总体方案。有些课题，如平均级压比达1。62的三级压气机研究已经取得了良好进展。
4、九五期间我们搞出了推比十发动机的三大高压部件，并于十五期间进入验证型核心机阶段。2005年的春天，激动人心的消息传来，624所历经15年研制的推比10核心机CJ2000点火成功，这为我国的推比10一级的发动机发展打下了坚实的基础，同时根据CJ2000核心机放大或缩小就可以发展出不同推力量级的高性能发动机来。我相信，在不久的将来，我们将会看到装配推比10发动机的新型国产飞机翱翔在祖国的蓝天。
作者:宝二爷想参军
The early 90s, with the disintegration of the Soviet Union, Sino-Russian relations began to normalize. China imported from Russia Su-27 fighter, Russia's flanker become China's blue shark. The introduction of engine technologies also began with the arrival of flanker, from push to push more than 7 AL31F than 10 AL41F have attracted our attention, which pushed the P2000 compared with 12 to 15 core machine caused us a strong interest. P2000 is Russia's next-generation engine after following AL41F plan, which is the core of Russia, according to the U.S. aircraft carried out the core of development thinking machine program, through the invited Russian experts to give lectures, as well as technology transfer, and we plan on Russia's P2000 has some understanding of and exchange to a number of technical. On this basis, from the early 90s, we started our new high-pushed plan to start planning for our country in 1993, a new generation of high-performance gas turbine technology for pre-research program, its overall technical objective is to make the engine unit of thrust to achieve 120daN · S / kg, thrust-weight ratio increased (vortex shaft, propeller engine power weight ratio increased). The plan includes hundreds of items of key technologies, setting up of more than 100 research topics. The plan is proceeding smoothly, the technological achievements gained will be applied in service, in research to improve and a new generation of engines for aircraft engine.
High pushing pre-research completed hundreds of key technology research and development of hundreds of computer programs, achieved great success. Although these research results validation is not sufficient, but most have been used in model development and improvement of modification. Through the two large-scale pre-research program of practical experience, we have pre-study characteristics and have a further understanding of the law. Through high-pushing program, we also began to push the development of more than 10 engines.
To push the progress of more than 10 core machine
1, 84 started the engine thrust-weight ratio 10 pre-research of the technical feasibility studies, and 88 years in April held a pre-feasibility studies on topics of research, 90-year project to open a formal title.
2,94 years, completed the top six overall program design, the completion of the project guidelines and comprehensive verification, 93 ~ 96 years, Russia to carry out cooperation and access to some of Russia's P2000 technology.
3, the basic set the engine thrust-weight ratio 10 the overall program. Some topics, such as the average level pressure ratio of up to 1.62 of the three compressor research has made good progress.
4, in the year during which we come up with a push more than 10 engines of the three high-voltage parts, and in 15 from entering the stage of proof-of-core machine. The spring of 2005, exciting news, 624 developed after 15 years of pushing more than 10 core machine CJ2000 firing was successful, which pushed for the country's engine of more than 10 one laid a solid foundation, while the core according to CJ2000 zoom in or out on the machine can develop a different order of magnitude of high-performance engines to thrust. I believe that in the near future, we will see the assembly to push the engine more than 10 new Chinese-made aircraft flying in the blue sky of the motherland.
Author:Bao Er Ye would like to join the army