SamuraiBlue
Captain
Here is another one that is on the news.
Chinese Engine Development
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superdog
Junior Member
The news makes zero sense to me. It's not like anyone can go to an office or website to order F-22/F-35 engines for any country. Did the FBI make a fake website selling these engines? Even if they did, anyone who's foolish enough to fall for it is unlikely to be hired by any foreign agencies.
If you believe it, you are something wrong. This is a story for you: Alleged nuclear spy for China should be released, defense says
KNOXVILLE — Szuhsiung "Allen" Ho isn't a Chinese nuclear spy. He isn't even Chinese.
in nuclear engineer Ho's first shot at the government's nuclear espionage conspiracy case against him in U.S. District Court in Knoxville.
Ho, his firm, Energy Technology International, and a Chinese nuclear power plant, China General Nuclear Power, are accused in the April indictment of plotting to lure nuclear experts in the U.S. into providing information to allow China to develop and produce nuclear material based on American technology and under the radar of the U.S. government.
The indictment came after former TVA senior manager Ching Ning Guey struck a secret deal more than a year ago to plead guilty to development of special nuclear material outside the U.S. and admitted Ho and the Chinese government paid him to provide technical expertise. Guey's plea deal was unsealed after Ho's arrest.
At least five other engineers at U.S. power companies across the country also were paid to consult, court records filed by Assistant U.S. Attorney Charles Atchley Jr. state. Their names have not been disclosed, nor is it clear whether they face prosecution.
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Ho is jailed pending trial, but Zeidenberg wants him freed. He filed this week in which he not only argues Ho isn't a flight risk but attacks the government's case as flawed.
The indictment identifies Ho as a Chinese citizen. Zeidenberg says Ho was born in Taiwan in 1950, received his Ph.D. in nuclear engineering from the University of Illinois in 1980 and, three years later, became a naturalized U.S. citizen.
"Dr. Ho and his wife have resided in Wilmington, Delaware, since 1988," the attorney wrote. "While Dr. Ho travels and spends significant time in China, his permanent residence is a home in Wilmington."
After working for several U.S. power companies, Ho launched ETI in 1996. His client list included firms in the U.S., Taiwan, Japan and China, the attorney stated.
"Dr. Ho's typical clients were public utilities that operated commercial nuclear power plants and sought Dr. Ho's assistance to assure that the plants were operating safety and efficiently," the motion stated. "Dr. Ho has no expertise or experience in the development or production of 'special nuclear material' (which can be used in nuclear weapons)."
Zeidenberg contends Ho twice sought permission from the U.S. Department of Energy to provide consulting services under a special provision of nuclear regulations. He was told his work didn't fall under that provision, so he pressed on, unaware the DOE had notified the Justice Department, the motion stated.
According to the motion, the case involving Ho is the first use of this particular category of espionage-related crimes in the U.S. in 50 years.
"Apparently recognizing that Dr. Ho's conduct did not constitute espionage … the government has tried to shoehorn Dr. Ho's commercial work … into a statute that has never been employed in its prior half-century of existence," the motion stated. "These were not military, weaponized reactors; they are, instead, commercial nuclear power plants that generate electricity."
Atchley has not yet filed a response.
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SamuraiBlue
Captain
You don't have to be a national citizen to be involved in espionage for that nation, it only requires motivation and nations can provide various motivations which could be in form of positive gain as well as negative gain to the individual like blackmailing them that their relatives within the said country will be imprisoned if they do not cooperate.
antiterror13
Brigadier
how many US troops in Japan ? 100k?
Hyperwarp
Captain
Huh? How the hell are they going to export an F119 or an F135? It doesn't even say parts. I states ENGINES....
I can understand PRC wanting F119 and F135 tech since even the Russians don't have engines of that class, but one person ("Man") with another in China ("Zhang") conspiring to export classified engines even in pieces.....is a long stretch. This not like stealing designs or a few spare-parts. You just don't get F119 and F135 lying around.
But anyway, here is DoJ release -
Since it is from the DoJ, one can't dismiss it as media BS.
Here is an extracct:
I can understand PRC wanting F119 and F135 tech since even the Russians don't have engines of that class, but one person ("Man") with another in China ("Zhang") conspiring to export classified engines even in pieces.....is a long stretch. This not like stealing designs or a few spare-parts. You just don't get F119 and F135 lying around.But anyway, here is DoJ release -
Since it is from the DoJ, one can't dismiss it as media BS.
Here is an extracct:
They could have been referring specifically to parts or specifications. Sometimes the technical stuff is missed...Huh? How the hell are they going to export an F119 or an F135? It doesn't even say parts. I states ENGINES....
But anyway, here is DoJ release -
Since it is from the DoJ, one can't dismiss it as media BS.
Here is an extracct:
Look up Wen Ho Lee.
Skywatcher
Captain
There are plenty of pretty stupid people out there, that's all I'll say.Huh? How the hell are they going to export an F119 or an F135? It doesn't even say parts. I states ENGINES....
But anyway, here is DoJ release -
Since it is from the DoJ, one can't dismiss it as media BS.
Here is an extracct:
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
That's because they're lying. It's just like the counterfeit parts story. They made it out that China infiltrated the US's military industrial complex in a plot to sabotage US military hardware and thus China will win the war. Isn't that an act of war especially how deep they made the infiltration and conspiracy out to be? Yet no calls for war from the US Congress. No punishment for China in any way. McCain did demand a tour of the Chinese factory where these parts were made knowing full well China would refuse thus McCain could use it to declare China was hiding a conspiracy thus seen as automatically guilty. What really happened was a US military contractor wanted to make every penny they can and looked for cheaper alternatives from a Chinese vendor that had no knowledge that these parts were going to be used on US military hardware.