Blade warping under high-g is clearly related to material tech. WS10A and WS13 should share the same on that.
Chinese Engine Development
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Blade warping under high-g is clearly related to material tech. WS10A and WS13 should share the same on that.
Not necessarily, if the blades are shaped differently. Anyways, I edited with a follow up. Pretty certain that quote is an old one that reflects outdated information.
Engineer
Major
Did the Russian buy JF-17? Clearly not. It is a pretty simple answer, so I don't really understand why you have such a difficulty with it. This example shows that visiting a factory does not automatically mean buying something from there. By the same reason, the Chinese visiting Salut plant does not automatically mean Chinese were there to shop.
i never said china was not buying engines, i said they'd rather not buy engines for the j-20. i don't doubt that masalov probably showed xu a selection of deals. what i do know is that the chinese will not- except as a last resort, put russian engines in any production version of the j-20, which seemed to be your major claim.
Can you actually show me this mysterious Chinese source you are talking about, so then I can see if it has any credibility. I talk a lot about sources and whether you acknowledge it or not, several of us are very good at discerning real and fake sources. So, please show us what this great source you talk about is.
You keep going off tangent. Can you actually answer my questions? Why is it that people who can't find counter arguments keep on bringing stuff that has nothing to do with the topic.
you have shown no ability of identifying how China and Russia negotiate deal. If they want an engine for J-20 from Russia eventually, they are not going to do it because of a visit to Salyut by Xu. There is a long negotiation process.
you have not answered the question why China would order engines for an aircraft that's not close to being in production.
you give no credence to the extent of existing relation between China and Salyut, especially in the J-10 project.
MiG-29
Banned Idiot
Look see what i did i gave you two links to all of you
one official
and this
which is based upon this
see they posted in China times this
References:
Xu Qiliang 許其亮
i posted the news
FSUE “Gas-Turbine Engineering RPC “Salut” receives a visit from Colonel-General Xu Qiliang, Vice-Chairman of the CPC Central Military Commission.
On October 31, 2013, the high dignitary from the PRC heading an official delegation, invited by Sergey Shoygu, Russian Defense Minister, visited Salut - one of Russia's largest aircraft engine manufacturer and supplier for a number of foreign customers, including China.
During the red carpet reception, Vladislav Masalov, Director General of Salut, emphasized in his speech the importance of cooperation with the PRC in aeroengine-building projects.
Colonel-General Xu Qiliang in his turn expressed the willingness to use best efforts toward ensuring that this cooperation be continued on a long-term and mutually beneficial basis.
The Chinese guests made an acquaintance tour of the factory visiting its production workshops, engine test facilities and assembly lines, as well as the Museum of Corporate History, where they were offered an overview of Salut's long-standing traditions and corporate values.
and i gave my opinion based upon:
Vladislav Masalov, Director General of Salut, said that the full-scale deliveries of upgraded engines could be started as early as 2013. “The AL-31F M2 engine can be a not so expensive solution for re-engining of Su-27, Su-30 and Su-34 fleet now operated by the Russian military and is likewise deliverable to foreign customers,” noted Director General. The technical specifications and requirements of Su-27SM and Su-34 aircraft call for the engines with increased thrust and improved fuel consumption with the AL-31F M2 fulfilling these requisites. The installation can be performed without any rework of the aircraft and take place in field conditions.
which comes from this official news by salut
Here is not what is my opinion or your opinion the important thing is
During the red carpet reception, Vladislav Masalov, Director General of Salut, emphasized in his speech the importance of cooperation with the PRC in aeroengine-building projects.
Colonel-General Xu Qiliang in his turn expressed the willingness to use best efforts toward ensuring that this cooperation be continued on a long-term and mutually beneficial basis.
I am not saying i know what Colonel-General Xu Qiliang and , Vladislav Masalov, Director General of Salut, did talk or did sign since i gave an opinion
i only said since i bet you are not witness to what Colonel-General Xu Qiliang and , Vladislav Masalov, Director General of Salut, did talk yours is also an opinion
And forums are for that
If you think you can skim sources better than i, well that is fine with me, but Salut pages does not mention any sale of any engine so niether me or you can affirm they are buying Al-31FNs or Al-31f M-2 those are opinions
that is my point
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You're quoting want china times.
Now there's your problem. They are a Taiwanese news outlet I believe, and their credibility on PLA affairs is next to zero. If that is your "chinese source" then I'm sorry to tell you it is an unreliable source with dubious credibility at best.
Now there's your problem. They are a Taiwanese news outlet I believe, and their credibility on PLA affairs is next to zero. If that is your "chinese source" then I'm sorry to tell you it is an unreliable source with dubious credibility at best.
Zool
Junior Member
In cases like this it almost appears as if you have a narrative already in mind and then go searching for sources, any sources, to support that narrative. In this case China being unable to develop J-20 or WS-15 without Russian assistance.
The Russian article notes the visit and beyond that does not tell us much more. The WantChinaTimes (Taiwan) links are not exactly credible, but seem to be the one source that really supports your position that China is in trouble with J-20 & WS-15. Not based on any factual information:
Here is another originating from WantChinaTimes. I found it in the same place you found yours. At the bottom it claims Type 055 will be a virtual replica of Zumwalt Class and launch with a Rail Gun.
Also, didn't you say your information originally came from a Hong Kong source? Where is that? WantChinaTimes is Taiwan.
It's best to filter through sources and use logic when gauging true progress in Chinese Military programs. If you have a pre-conceived notion on how China will make out with various programs and then look for any random punter to back it up, you won't be given much credibility when sharing that opinion.
Cheers,
Zool
So based on your source of idrw (which is an Indian fanboy site) and wantchinatimes (which is a Taiwanese site) have in reality no credibility on Chinese matters. Again, I talk about sourcing a lot and it's not just to you but a lot of other people. You have to be sure that your sources are good otherwise, you might as well start posting strategypage and wikipedia stuff all day. To be taken more seriously, we have to use good sources here. There are reasons why my blog gets cited in US congressional research studies and these other jokes don't. This is a fine craft that takes a long time to develop and should be taken a little more seriously. What I find common with you is that you develop a theory and then spend all day searching for that.
I'm not stating what they are buying or not buying. I'm stating that you have no idea nor no do you make any effort into understanding how China and Russia negotiate deals. On top of that, you can't seem to accept that they are far more likely to discuss engine for an aircraft that is in production vs an aircraft not in production.
It's quite clear this discussion is not going anywhere, so let's drop this and report only if we get new reports.