a very good loan indeed.
Chinese Engine Development
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a very good loan indeed.
oh cmon you two are sweating over this, let's just keep to each other's opinion shall we? I dont see how you guys are going to reconcile each other's position after 2 days of back and forth arguments on something as elusive as China's engine development.
for me, J-10B with AL-31 paints not so rosy view of the WS-10.
for me, J-10B with AL-31 paints not so rosy view of the WS-10.
Quickie
Colonel
In case some of you may be wondering, this is the video I'm talking about. Again this is in no way conclusive on the engines' spooling speed but in light of scarce info we had, videos are one of the main sources of info we have to fall back on. J-20 at 7:00. J-10B at 10:00.
[video=youtube;Wxtm2wVwLnA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxtm2wVwLnA[/video]
[video=youtube;Wxtm2wVwLnA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxtm2wVwLnA[/video]
labeling everyone as either a doubter or fanboy is not productive. i know there is a lot of misleading nonsense and political propaganda on both sides, but i reckon the assumptions reached through consensus on this forum is some of the most reliable info on the pla in the public sphere. we're only able to do this if we take everything with a grain of salt and analyze the quality and consistency of what we hear.
the dumbest thing to do is to get too emotional because: 1. it just aint worth it, and 2. we stop using our faculties of reason.
lets stay focused on why one case is more plausible than the other rather than who's a fanboy/doubter. these slogans made up simply so we can dismiss each others' opinions instead of engaging in dialogue. i know some people actually fit these labels, i prefer to call them idiots because that's really what they are.
watever man, haven't u realized by now that both drumming up and playing down china as a threat has a political audience in america? that's why so many facts about china in the mainstream western media is totally whack. china used to fib about the west in the same way but (most) people stopped believing.
in the end u gotta remember these misrepresentative reports r made only to get people to support either the author's own political motives or those of his financiers.
a few writers downplaying china's aircraft engine progress doesn't hurt china, only the people who are misled by them; so just relax my friend and watch the theatrics.
ps. lol i hope popeye doesn't delete this post, i'm not trying to start a politics flame war, just trying to bring some clarity!
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This is also my POV on the WS-10 development, particularly if this is the first mass-production high-performance turbofan in domestic production used by the PLA, simultaneously working out kinks in design and manufacturing is no small feat (even for the Euros or the Japanese for that matter), but is absolutely necessary to build the required experience and expertise for future engine development. The AL-31 has the advantage of being revised over a longer time, while the WS-10 has had less time to do so (even if the design may be superior), so adding more resources may be necessary to speed up rate of refinement.
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Lieutenant General
I understand but, where are the reports for the doubters when the F-35 were having engine trouble? You don't see me go trashing or question the US capability, but when it comes to China, there seems to be a plethora of writers from the West ready to pounce on them on every chance they get. That's what I'm trying to get at.
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You're looking for moral equivalence, not fact. Besides there's enough griping over the F-35 in non Chinese forums.
that's cuz no one doubts that the americans already have the best gear, nobody has anything to gain politically by downplaying their abilities even when they stumble a little.
china is widely posited as the biggest threat to american hegemony in the western media but at the same time is also very unknown and opaque to many outsiders. the media (and politicians) likes to tell people what they want to hear, that we're still number 1; at the same time they want to drum up the china threat occasionally to keep people on their toes and to rally support for costly geopolitical maneuvering/defense contracts.
alright enough of a detour from the topic at hand, haha back to engines.
i personally think that domestic chinese turbofans must be quite close to being satisfactory just because of how many aircraft that depend on advanced engines to achieve their operative potential have been showcased in the past three years: j-20, j-31, y-20.
i don't think the plaaf would out them publically like this if they didn't have the means to make them competent up its sleeve.
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kwaigonegin
Colonel
Hey! for a newbie you're pretty smart
LOL I concur with your thoughts.... Welcome to the board.