Chinese Engine Development

kroko

Senior Member
WS-13 is a low priority project. The immediate end user is Pakistan and the uncomfirm J-31. Therefore it do not take an expert to figure out most resources are not pour into it. Then you need to remember WS-15 which is an important project that will also take away significant amount of talent and resources. Why would I be suprised if WS-13 has many issues despite being in the same generation of WS-10A? Definitely, the lacking of talent and resources due to low priority has result in the slow progress.

Not quite. What about china´s UCAV programs? already they had to strap a RD-93 engine on Sharp sword UCAV. China needs an engine in that thrust range, otherwise all UCAVs will have to be propelled by russian engines.
 

shen

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超纯净高温合金涡轮盘喷射成形技术;铝基复合材料构件喷射成形技术温度

spray construction - I think it means they are attempting to use 3-D printing technology in the construction of some of the components

铝基复合材料 - Aluminum based alloy

From Kanak in CDF:

Don't think turbine blades can be printed yet. But western engine makes are planning to use many printed parts in new generation jet engines.

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A little googling, it seems there are research into printing turbine blade. This paper talks about titanium aluminum alloy.
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Blitzo

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Not quite. What about china´s UCAV programs? already they had to strap a RD-93 engine on Sharp sword UCAV. China needs an engine in that thrust range, otherwise all UCAVs will have to be propelled by russian engines.

No big deal, flying wing UCAVs are relatively unimportant at this stage and are important as demonstrators for the future. It'll be years until anyone gets them in the air in meaningful numbers. Recent noise from the USN makes it sound like UCLASS may not even be a proper flying wing.

Even if chinese UCAVs are powered by RD-93s that isn't a heavy bottleneck, it's not like Sharp Sword is a particular threat to Russia's own dynamic UCAV export industry the way JF-17 could potentially challenge Mig-29 for third world buyers.

I'm more interested to see how long it takes them to spit out WS-13. IT's supposed to be more or less a copy of RD-93... None of WS-10s CFM core derived shenanigans.
 

Munir

Banned Idiot
It is normal to use reliable engine for new projects. But even if they have tons of experience they still often import trusted jets. Look at LCA, Ching quo, Mitsubushi F2, T50 etc etc...

We all know China is very busy in making improvements to already long time ago started projects. We will see them gradually replace the imported engines. So, instead of making negative remarks about RD33 used in Chinese UCAV one should try to understand the logic behind it. It is not a matter of China making engines but when replacing the imported ones. I expect between 1-4 years you will see everything produced and improved in China.
 

kroko

Senior Member
it's not like Sharp Sword is a particular threat to Russia's own dynamic UCAV export industry.

dynamic UCAV industry? russia hasnt produced any UCAV yet. At least nothing in the range of Sharp sword. I dont think they give UCAVs much priority.
 

flateric

Junior Member
it's not like Sharp Sword is a particular threat to Russia's own dynamic UCAV export industry

I'd say, dynamic import industry, if we'll recall IAI Searcher -> Forpost CKD, Shiebel S-100 and endless types of microdrones but now it seems to come to the end.
in May MiG got R&D contract for X-45 sized UCAV that will be built 'using Skat experience', and Sukhoi started it work on Okhotnik several years ago, and both have many interesting ideas under sleeve, at least those I've seen from MiG. But apparently, most of UCAV are lookalike, just NG's cranked kite planform is more interesting (and scalable and can be easily modified).

Sharp Sword appearance only adding pace here.
 
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Hyperwarp

Captain
I just wonder how mighty WS-15 core based high bypass engine listed as producing weaky 13 tons

I don't know what issues/compromises/problems occur when going from a Low-bypass turbofan to a high-bypass one.

13 tons is off-course less than, lets say the PS-90 series, but is 13 tons too weak for a Y-20/C919 type A/C?
 
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