Chinese Economics Thread

[Eventine]

I don't think China will be facing a demographic invasion any time soon. even if you opened your borders. lol for one there is the langauge barrier which is a huge thing, secondly China is an alien civilisation for most of the world(apart from your East and some SEA neighbours), plus China is still the world second most populous country on earth with about 1.4 billion people(for perspective, that's about same as Africa's entire population), So even if 3 million foreigners moved to China that's like throwing a stone into the Ocean. lol In fact i believe there will always be more Chinese immigrants living outside China than there will be foreigners living in China. So i don't think you Chinese should be worried.

According to figures i checked there are barely over 900,000 foreigners nationals living in China (that's nothing. lol) that's the latest official figure available in 2020, i dont' think it would have changed by much in 5 years. but there are over 40 million chinese living outside China(this includes children of chinese immigrants though), but 10.5 million chinese born in china live overseas. So i don't think China should worry much about immigration.

I'm not worried about the effects of the immediate policy. I'm more concerned about the underlying philosophy it represents.

The policy of importing a lot of foreigners to do some specific type of work, that is perceived to be a gap in the native population, is not alien to Chinese history. Both times it happened, the outcome wasn't great (mentioned this else where so not going to repeat it, but basically "Five Barbarians" and "An Lushan Rebellion").

Of course, the numbers of people involved were much greater as a % of the population back then, but it shows that even with presumably culturally compatible Northeast Asian people who can "blend" into the population, China's record for peaceful assimilation wasn't great.

Chinese policy makers should not get high on the idea that China or Chinese culture has some unique ability to assimilate foreigners.

Americans thought that, until they didn't.

 

[uguduwa]

When it comes to Indians and demographics, I guess the status quo will stay for 10-15 years. India‘s standards of living are steadily rising and a lot of Indians are not stupid and see how people in other countries live and demand the same in their own country which you could see in Skyscrapercity forum. Once India reaches a certain level, outflow would slow down. At the moment, parts of India are rich enough that people can leave but not rich enough for Indians to stay. I also believe that the immigration problem would turn upside down more in favor of immigrants once certain countries are forced to deal with negative consenquences of low birth rate.

when it comes to demographic issues cominh from low birth rates though, they are a whole different kind of beast that the world has never seen before. I strongly believe that demographic problems would overtake climate change soon. The nature of this problem is that things look fine until they are not. We would probably see the first signs of this problem coming from places like South Korea.

Another angle to this problem is that there is not a single a country on earth that can provide new immigrants to meet the needs of India and China once they start having demographic problem. Entire countries would have to be emptied to satisfy their needs.

 

[uguduwa]

Also many people here don‘t seem to understand the US properly. The racists today are also the racists that existed mainly in the South since an eternity. America is probably the only country that has done a great job at assimilating wildly different ethnicities into one culture. Current problems are partially caused by minorities themselves. For example, Latino and Black men voted for DJT in large numbers and the reasons are mainly economic in nature packaged as some outlandish immigrant problem.

IMO, from my experience dealing with East Asians, I don‘t think immigration would ever work there. India ironically has a better chance at this than China since India has been a melting pot since the Indus Valley civilization (which worked for thousand of years) days. India even managed to absorb Greek cultural elements back in the day and would have no problem doing it in the future.

 

[august1]

I'm fine with Indian immigration as long it's pretty Indian girls of marital age willing to help fix China's demographic issues.

I'm opposed to immigration of foreign men that makes China's gender imbalance worse.

Lol you and I know it will be 90%+ males. And if you've ever lived anywhere where there are large Chinese + Indian communities living together like Vancouver or Toronto, you're going to have at least 10 times as many Indian male-Chinese female couples as the reverse.

 

[JayFalsum]

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Also many people here don‘t seem to understand the US properly. The racists today are also the racists that existed mainly in the South since an eternity. America is probably the only country that has done a great job at assimilating wildly different ethnicities into one culture. Current problems are partially caused by minorities themselves. For example, Latino and Black men voted for DJT in large numbers and the reasons are mainly economic in nature packaged as some outlandish immigrant problem.

IMO, from my experience dealing with East Asians, I don‘t think immigration would ever work there. India ironically has a better chance at this than China since India has been a melting pot since the Indus Valley civilization (which worked for thousand of years) days. India even managed to absorb Greek cultural elements back in the day and would have no problem doing it in the future.

Melting pot? It’s not like India had much of a choice. Every time invaders came, the Indians rolled over. Otherwise, why would there be hundreds of millions of Muslims there today?