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Michael90

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wuguanhui said:
Just tax anyone childless to pay for these subsidies. If you aren't raising your own children, then you will help raise other people's children.



My other brilliant genius ideas include:

Ban game consoles and porn for unmarried men.
Ban romance novels for unmarried women.
Ban pet ownership or tax it ruinously. Dogs are an alternative to lamb, not an alternative to children.

Get those AI companies to develop an AI matchmaker to assign compatible state issued boyfriends to all single women.
State subsidized cosmetic surgery for the irredeemably ugly.
Anyone not married by 25 is required to perform public self criticism.
Anyone not married by 35 will be publicly caned.

Demographic problems are easy to fix. :cool:
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You made me spill my drink laughing reading this. Gotta say you are hilarious. Consider a career in comedy. :) lol
On a serious note, it’s not easy to fix demographic issue . No industrialized developed country has managed to solve that problem yet without having to start using migration after trying everything else.
even super conservative and homogenous societies like Japan and S.Korea now have visas for a migration part into their count to to fill in the vacuum of labor shortages they are now suffering from. China will inevitably suffer the same issue this coming decades as birth rates keeps declining. There is no easy fix for this. Since as countries grow wealthier and more developed their birth rate reduce accordingly and as women get more and more into work force and long hours of work and pressure of life etc. it’s inevitable
No tuning back the clock. Reason I think the strict implementation of the one child policy was one of the worse mistakes the CCP ever made, even far more than Mao’s Great Leap Forward to be honest, since it made the demographic issue even worse(many women were traumatized by the strict implementation of it with forced sterilizations , heavy penalties for those who violated the policy and couldn’t afford to pay penalties, and millions of children who were born in secret and hidden/unregistered by their parents to avoid this penalties etc etc). All this also has an effect on those young ones who gre up seeing this things. Now the government is telling this same people they should have more children and even offering payments and incentives for that. It’s a paradox. You can’t just undo something so drastic with a snap of the finger. Unfortunately we cant turn back the clock of time and undo this damage so just have to try and deal with the current situation and consequences. That policy just fast forward led by a few decades Chinas demographic challenge . China was supposed to be facing this issue 30/40years down the line, not now.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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Michael90 said:
You made me spill my drink laughing reading this. Gotta say you are hilarious. Consider a career in comedy. :) lol
On a serious note, it’s not easy to fix demographic issue . No industrialized developed country has managed to solve that problem yet without having to start using migration after trying everything else.
even super conservative and homogenous societies like Japan and S.Korea now have visas for a migration part into their count to to fill in the vacuum of labor shortages they are now suffering from. China will inevitably suffer the same issue this coming decades as birth rates keeps declining. There is no easy fix for this. Since as countries grow wealthier and more developed their birth rate reduce accordingly and as women get more and more into work force and long hours of work and pressure of life etc. it’s inevitable
No tuning back the clock. Reason I think the strict implementation of the one child policy was one of the worse mistakes the CCP ever made, even far more than Mao’s Great Leap Forward to be honest, since it made the demographic issue even worse(many women were traumatized by the strict implementation of it with forced sterilizations , heavy penalties for those who violated the policy and couldn’t afford to pay penalties, and millions of children who were born in secret and hidden/unregistered by their parents to avoid this penalties etc etc). All this also has an effect on those young ones who gre up seeing this things. Now the government is telling this same people they should have more children and even offering payments and incentives for that. It’s a paradox. You can’t just undo something so drastic with a snap of the finger. Unfortunately we cant turn back the clock of time and undo this damage so just have to try and deal with the current situation and consequences. That policy just fast forward led by a few decades Chinas demographic challenge . China was supposed to be facing this issue 30/40years down the line, not now.
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If they can do one-child policy with forced sterilization, they can do mandatory 3 child policy with heavy fines, penalties on job promotion and so on to boost child birth as well. Depends on how vital for national security it is to boost birth rate. Only 2 years ago millions were locked down in their homes for months again due to national/political security. So, they still have the power to do it.
 
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tamsen_ikard said:
If they can do one-child policy with forced sterilization, they can do mandatory 3 child policy with heavy fines, penalties on job promotion and so on to boost child birth as well. Depends on how vital for national security it is to boost birth rate. Only 2 years ago millions were locked down in their homes for months again due to national/political security. So, they still have the power to do it.
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While its up for debate whether population maintenance or managed population decrease is desirable, it is completely insane to argue for increasing the population by 50% within a single generation.
 
proelite

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If birth rate is a national security concern then it should be treated as such. Mandatory drafting of prospective fathers and mothers into "army" towns for the role purposes of mass reproduction.
 
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Jamie28

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proelite said:
If birth rate is a national security concern then it should be treated as such. Mandatory drafting of prospective fathers and mothers into "army" towns for the role purposes of mass reproduction.
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And who should bear the responsibility of raising and educating the children?
Relying on their parents, who maybe brought them unwillingly I think is the perfect recipe for a disaster.
OTOH if it's provided by the State like in Plato's Republic we should consider the costs which are likely huge.
 
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mellowcookie

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Amistrophy said:
yay this conversation again, where SDF members fantasize over putting chinese people into rape/breeding camps,

wondrous things happened in that thread, wonder why it’s locked/deleted now
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It's actually insane for people to be having these conversations. 1CP was absolutely insane. It caused a lot of heartbreak for people having to have their kids aborted at any stage in their pregnancy (even when viable preterm)! And this was caused by preventing people from having a second kid - an effect that is a lot less significant than forcing women to have kids.

Humans have one of the worst deliveries out of any mammals - there is a reason why babies are so helpless, and why maternal mortality was so high before modern medicine, and why there are so many complications that arise from childbirth. For people to be saying you need to force women to have kids and then take care of them for 18 years is disgusting.

There are a lot of Han Chauvinists/misogynists here that really don't understand that the CPC is still a communist party, and as such is committed to women's liberation. Don't get me wrong - there are still contradictions both from a traditional culture side (aka rich people having mistresses and also from the spoiling of single daughters (aka my ex), but the general direction they are moving in is still correct.

I think the best solutions would be to remove the negative externalities that result from having kids in modern society. I think the recent adjustments by the government are good, such as removing preschool fees from the last year of preschool, and trialing of subsidies for kids is also very welcome. This is the same effect as a tax on child-free couples and individuals, but a lot more distributed, in the same way that subsidies are usually better than tariffs. A slow population decrease should be targeted, around 1.6-1.8 TFR.
 
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