Chinese Economics Thread

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Captain
What happens if one gained some weight (also on their face)? They get locked out of their phone? It will take months of hard exercise to get back their phone. :D One must keep on staring at their phone every day, I guess.
Simply update facial recognition everyday.
Anyway I would not spend that sort of money on a phone anyway.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
What about facial hair? Or bad hair day? Maybe bar fight the night before and you're one eye is swollen? Hehehehe.
Truth is racial recognition is a terrible technology for individualized consumer authentication for consumer personal devices when 20th century tech like the simple thumb print is far more effective and efficient.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
@ SB, yes, individual technologies exist however they have not been packaged together to make it into consumer level devices like smartphones etc. where it is 'smart' enough to identify identical twins on the faces with the surety of a thumbprint or retinal scan.

I may be wrong but I don't think there is any App/Camera combo out there that can mathematically deduce and the built in AI 'knows' twin A has 4757387 pores on his left ear lobe and twin B has 4757381 pores on the same exact region. To have that granular of definition requires cameras to be in the tera or petapixel range and a processor that has the computational power approaching a supercomp.
What about facial hair? Or bad hair day? Maybe bar fight the night before and you're one eye is swollen? Hehehehe.
Truth is racial recognition is a terrible technology for individualized consumer authentication for consumer personal devices when 20th century tech like the simple thumb print is far more effective and efficient.

So you believe that smart phone can do a finger print match but can't do a facial recognition match.
I have news for you, they basically use the same idea/algorithms, for finger prints.
They identify the biometric markers within a finger print namely ridges and indentations and measure the distance of each biometric markers and match it with the key print, it's the same idea with facial recognition, the only difference are the biometric markers they measure.
As for bar fights/ facial mutilation, as long as the person had not been bashed beyond recognition with his ears cut off, his teeth all broken out and his eyes so swollen that he cannot open his eye lid in other words completely bandaged up you could get a match.
On the other hand finger prints can be easily lifted and be used to defeat the system. I hear that now a days they can even use a good photo showing a peace sign to recreate finger prints to defeat the system.
 
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China's industrial profits grow faster in first eight months
Xinhua| 2017-09-27 12:30:19
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China's major industrial firms posted faster profit growth in the first eight months of this year, the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) said Wednesday.

Industrial companies with annual revenue of more than 20 million yuan (about 3.02 million U.S. dollars) reported profits of 4.92 trillion yuan in the first eight months, a 21.6-percent increase from one year earlier, the NBS said in a statement.

The strong growth marks a pick-up from the 21.2 percent in the January-July period.

In August alone, profits of major industrial firms rose 24 percent year on year, much faster than the 16.5-percent growth in July, the NBS said.

Among the 41 industries surveyed, 39 posted year-on-year profit growth during the first eight months.

NBS statistician He Ping said the strong growth was a result of price hikes in industrial products and lower production costs.

China's producer price index (PPI), which measures costs of goods at the factory gate, rose 6.3 percent year on year in August, 0.8 percentage points higher than the July level.

The price rebound has added some 127.3 billion yuan to the August industrial profits, accounting for 31.2 percent of the total profit increase last month, said He.

Meanwhile, for each 100 yuan of revenue, companies had to spend 85.44 yuan, a 0.64-yuan decrease from the same period last year, NBS data showed.

He also mentioned that the leverage ratio of Chinese industrial firms is on the decline amid the government's ongoing supply-side structural reform. By the end of August, their debt-asset ratio dropped 0.7 percentage points from a year ago to 55.7 percent.
 

Franklin

Captain
German companies Alstrom and Siemens have to merge their rail divisions to counter China's CRRC that have become bigger than either of them.

Alstom, Siemens to merge rail businesses to counter China's CRRC

German industrial group Siemens and French rival Alstom agreed to merge their rail operations, creating a European champion to better withstand the international advance of China's state-owned CRRC.
Siemens will own 50 percent plus a few shares of the joint venture, to be called Siemens Alstom, while Alstom will supply Henri Poupart-Lafarge as chief executive, helping to counter criticism that France is giving up control of another national industrial icon.
The non-executive chairman will come from Siemens.

German industrial group Siemens and French rival Alstom agreed to merge their rail operations, creating a European champion to better withstand the international advance of China's state-owned CRRC.

Siemens will own 50 percent plus a few shares of the joint venture, to be called Siemens Alstom, while Alstom will supply Henri Poupart-Lafarge as chief executive, helping to counter criticism that France is giving up control of another national industrial icon.

The non-executive chairman will come from Siemens.

The framework deal, which still has to be approved by Alstom shareholders as well as regulators, is a Franco-German industrial breakthrough for French President Emmanuel Macron but is a move that has riled opposition politicians. Their worries centre on France losing control of its TGV high-speed train - a symbol of national pride that has highlighted French engineering skill - and possible job losses.

Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said on Tuesday that the French government welcomed the planned tie-up, which he said would protect French jobs.

The French state said it would not exercise an option to buy a 20 percent stake in Alstom from industrial group Bouygues.

The Siemens and Alstom transport businesses span the iconic French TGV and German ICE high-speed trains as well as signalling and rail technology. They have combined sales of 15.3 billion euros ($18 billion) and earnings before interest and tax of 1.2 billion euros.

"This Franco-German merger of equals sends a strong signal in many ways. We put the European idea to work and together with our friends at Alstom, we are creating a new European champion in the rail industry for the long term," said Siemens CEO Joe Kaeser.

Alstom's Poupart-Lafarge said: "Today is a key moment in Alstom's history, confirming its position as the platform for the rail sector consolidation."

Analysts at Deutsche Bank kept a "hold" rating on Alstom shares, saying extracting cost savings from the deal could be tricky.

"Politicians will also likely try to ensure some form of jobs protection in France (28 percent of Alstom's workforce) and Germany (39 percent of Siemens'workforce), making cost synergies difficult to extract," they wrote in a note.

The deal leaves out in the cold Canadian transportation group Bombardier, which also held talks with Siemens, sources have said, and which faces a separate battle this week to protect jobs in Quebec and Northern Ireland.

China's CRRC, with annual revenue of about $35 billion, is bigger than Siemens Mobility, the rail and infrastructure division of the German conglomerate, Alstom and Bombardier Transportation combined.

Previously focused on China, it has won projects in Britain and the Czech Republic in the past year, and is eyeing the United Kingdom's High Speed 2 project, which will connect London with cities in the north of England.

Special dividends

Siemens will receive newly issued shares in the combined company representing 50 percent of Alstom's share capital and warrants allowing it eventually to acquire another 2 percent of Alstom shares.

However, the deal prevents Siemens from owning more than 50.5 percent of Alstom for four years after closing, and includes "certain governance and organizational and employment protections", Siemens and Alstom said in their statement.

The deal is unanimously supported by Alstom's board, Siemens' supervisory board and Alstom shareholder Bouygues, the companies said.

The French government acquired its option on the Bouygues stake in Alstom in 2014 as part of a deal that helped Alstom snub Siemens as a buyer for its energy business in favour of General Electric Co.

Macron was economy minister at the time.
The global headquarters, rolling stock business and stock-market listing of the new entity will be in Paris and the signalling and technology business in Berlin.

The new company, with 62,300 employees, targets synergies of 470 million euros four years at the latest after closing of the deal, which is expected at the end of 2018.

The companies said their operations were largely complementary, with Alstom present in growth markets in the Middle East and Africa, India, and Central and South America, while Siemens was strong in China, the United States and Russia.

Siemens CEO Kaeser said ahead of the signing of the memorandum of understanding he believed the scale of China's CRRC left little room for regulators to oppose a deal.

"It always depends, but the facts are that there is a dominant player," he told Reuters in an interview in New York.

Siemens stands to gain control of Alstom's main business, since all of Alstom's divisions deal with the railways and transportation industries. Existing Alstom shareholders will be paid two special dividends: a control premium of 4 euros per share to be paid shortly after closing of the transaction and an extraordinary dividend of up to 4 euros per share to be paid out of the proceeds of Alstom's put options for its General Electric joint venture, "subject to the cash position of Alstom".
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kwaigonegin

Colonel
So you believe that smart phone can do a finger print match but can't do a facial recognition match.
I have news for you, they basically use the same idea/algorithms, for finger prints.
They identify the biometric markers within a finger print namely ridges and indentations and measure the distance of each biometric markers and match it with the key print, it's the same idea with facial recognition, the only difference are the biometric markers they measure.
As for bar fights/ facial mutilation, as long as the person had not been bashed beyond recognition with his ears cut off, his teeth all broken out and his eyes so swollen that he cannot open his eye lid in other words completely bandaged up you could get a match.
On the other hand finger prints can be easily lifted and be used to defeat the system. I hear that now a days they can even use a good photo showing a peace sign to recreate finger prints to defeat the system.

OMG! lol

This all started because I casually mentioned 'evil twin' ergo the 'presumptive' argument is about people with 99.99% similar facial features.

Thumbprint is UNIQUE even among identical twins thus the entire discussion going forward which makes facial recognition with current technologies much much difficult to implement than simple thumbprint devices.

It is also NOT be practical to hold your phone, sensor etc mere inches away from your face for the sensor to pick up and authenticate the actual ridges and other biometric markers of twins.

Lastly, of course anything can be defeated, that's not the point lol .... the point is I believe at this juncture in our technology, Facial Recognition by itself has a long ways to go before it can be practically used for truly identifying specific individual twins etc.
 

vesicles

Colonel
OMG! lol

This all started because I casually mentioned 'evil twin' ergo the 'presumptive' argument is about people with 99.99% similar facial features.

Thumbprint is UNIQUE even among identical twins thus the entire discussion going forward which makes facial recognition with current technologies much much difficult to implement than simple thumbprint devices.

It is also NOT be practical to hold your phone, sensor etc mere inches away from your face for the sensor to pick up and authenticate the actual ridges and other biometric markers of twins.

Lastly, of course anything can be defeated, that's not the point lol .... the point is I believe at this juncture in our technology, Facial Recognition by itself has a long ways to go before it can be practically used for truly identifying specific individual twins etc.

If thumbprint of identical twins is unique, it would be physically impossible for them to have 99.99% similar facial features. Even if you clone a person, he/she would not be 99.99% similar to the host. Genetically impossible.

If you believe that the difference in thumbprint between identical twins comes from small genetic variations between the twins, then their small genetic variations will give them distinct facial features as well.

Like fingerprint reading, the security of facial recognition depends on the sophistication of the equipment. I've seen a Mythbuster episode, where they used a Xerox copy of a fingerprint to fool a fingerprint reader. they didn't even use a good scanner/printer, just a black and white cheap scanner/printer did the job. That was, of course, several years back (I think ~2010). Fingerprint readers are now much better.

Facial recognition is the same. Early versions will not be as good as expected. As the software gets more sophisticated, facial recognition has the potential to incorporate more parameters into their calculations since our faces have more features that a thumbprint.

And forget about identical twins. If you are willing to accept that identical twins have unique features, such as thumbprint, you should accept that they have distinct facial features. It's the same genetic principle that gives them distinct body features. Although the differences may be small, still recognizable by sophisticated softwares.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
If thumbprint of identical twins is unique, it would be physically impossible for them to have 99.99% similar facial features. Even if you clone a person, he/she would not be 99.99% similar to the host. Genetically impossible.

If you believe that the difference in thumbprint between identical twins comes from small genetic variations between the twins, then their small genetic variations will give them distinct facial features as well.

Like fingerprint reading, the security of facial recognition depends on the sophistication of the equipment. I've seen a Mythbuster episode, where they used a Xerox copy of a fingerprint to fool a fingerprint reader. they didn't even use a good scanner/printer, just a black and white cheap scanner/printer did the job. That was, of course, several years back (I think ~2010). Fingerprint readers are now much better.

Facial recognition is the same. Early versions will not be as good as expected. As the software gets more sophisticated, facial recognition has the potential to incorporate more parameters into their calculations since our faces have more features that a thumbprint.

And forget about identical twins. If you are willing to accept that identical twins have unique features, such as thumbprint, you should accept that they have distinct facial features. It's the same genetic principle that gives them distinct body features. Although the differences may be small, still recognizable by sophisticated softwares.

Of course, however my contention is everything else being equal, a thumbprint on a phone is far more effective in identifying the specific twin than a facial recog. scanner based on current advancement in cell phone technologies.
 

vesicles

Colonel
Of course, however my contention is everything else being equal, a thumbprint on a phone is far more effective in identifying the specific twin than a facial recog. scanner based on current advancement in cell phone technologies.

I agree. However, with facial features being more complex than fingerprint, facial recognition has more potential to become more secure. Because of the simplicity of the fingerprint, we are most likely at the peak of fingerprint technology. Facial recognition may be the future...

Let's wait and see how the iPhone X behaves... I will definitely get one. Hopefully, it won't be as bad as what happened at the demonstration a few weeks back...
 
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China steps up financial support to small and micro businesses
Xinhua| 2017-09-27 22:54:18
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China will further bolster its small and micro businesses with more financial measures to increase vitality of the economy, according to a decision made at a State Council executive meeting chaired by Premier Li Keqiang on Wednesday.

In order to boost policy support and encourage financial institutions to step up financial services, credit ceiling of VAT exemption for interest derived from bank lendings to small and micro businesses, farmers and self-employed will be expanded from 100,000 yuan to 1 million yuan between Dec. 1, 2017 and Dec. 31, 2019.

The stamp tax exemption for the borrowing contracts of small and micro businesses and the VAT exemption for those with a monthly sales volume of less than 30,000 yuan will be extended to 2020.

More efforts will be made to put the inclusive finance departments of state-owned banks in place at grassroots levels. Commercial banks will enjoy cut in reserve requirement ratio if their total or percentage of increase in individual loans of less than 5 million yuan to small and micro businesses, farmers, people under poverty line, students and guaranteed loans for startups reach a certain standard.

"The small and micro businesses have been a strong pillar for employment, offered strong support for large and medium-sized enterprises, and increased vitality of the society," Li said. "We should encourage financial institutions to lower their footing and strengthen capacities to serve the real economy."

"Financial resources should flow more to the real economy, especially to agriculture and small and micro businesses to ease their credit crunch and high financing cost," he said.

They have played a pivotal role in creating new jobs, as each small and micro enterprise can help create eight new jobs and each self-employed business creates 2.8 jobs, according to the National Bureau of Statistics.

The meeting decided that the government will make greater efforts to develop governmental financing guarantee and re-guarantee institutions, with a national financing guarantee fund also in the pipeline. Venture capital funds will be encouraged to devote more investment to small businesses in their early periods.

"The development of inclusive finance should be a priority, so that the small and micro businesses and other weaker links can receive consistent support. The financing of small and micro businesses is a global challenge. But it is of major importance, and should be highly prioritized." Li said.

"We managed to make some progress over the years, reaching targets of growth rate of bank lending to small and micro businesses no lower than lending across the board, number of individual loans and rate for loan approval no lower than the same period last year. Such measures have increased SME's chance of survival," he said.

Policies for small and micro businesses should cover self-employed businesses and farmers as well to increase policy effectiveness, he added.
 
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