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siegecrossbow

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Sorry Haters, Your China Hard Landing Has Been Postponed Again

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It's a miracle of science that the talking heads of the financial press who have been predicting China's demise for the past 10 years are getting invited back to predict more of the same. Whatever they forecast, we can fairly safely assess that we know the outcome...they will be wrong about it again.

Aside from China's oversupply issues and shadow lending system and its housing bubble, China is the world's second most important economy, bar none. It is at least as important as the United States to Brazil; it is more important than the United States in all of southeast Asia. It is more important than the United States in Russia. Argentina has Chinese banks; almost as much as American ones. The housing bubble is a generational phenomenon as much as it is an economic one. Millions are leaving poorer rural areas and moving to cities. Also, due to the fact that many Chinese are more accustomed to buying houses for stores of value than they are buying IRAs and putting money into stock funds, real estate is always in demand and will be until China develops a serious, trustworthy product line of investment funds. That's a whole new world for China, and a massive opportunity for wealth management firms.

Meanwhile, the China hard landing is not upon us.
The Chinese yuan has yet to crack 7 to 1 as George Soros and Barclays both predicted.
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as much...

Rothman says that the increase is largely due to China's latest rules on controlling capital outflow. But just as important has been the surprising strength of the Chinese renmimbi against the dollar. It's been holding strong at 6.74 for weeks now, up nearly 3% against the dollar after shying away from 7 in January. The shorts lost again.

The direction of the Chinese currency is determined primarily by the strength or weakness of the dollar, rather than the health of the Chinese economy. In 2016, when the dollar index rose 3.6%, the remmimbi fell by 6.4% against the dollar. In the first half of this year, the dollar index weakened by 6.4%, helping the renmimbi gain against the greenback.

Rothman says that capital outflows may accelerate a bit in the coming months as Chinese tourists head abroad and parents pay tuition for children who study overseas. Despite that flow, he expects the dollar to remain "fairly soft" against the Chinese currency.

The China consumer story isn't over yet. Part III is in the works and Part IV is being scripted.

China's economy in the first half showed better than expected growth, at nearly 7% versus forecasts of 6%. Incomes are rising as is consumer spending, and corporate earnings at new industry juggernauts like Baidu surprised to the upside.

"The Chinese economy delivered many surprises in the first half of the year, disappointing -- yet again -- the pundits who predicted a hard landing," says Andy Rothman, a Matthews Asia investment strategist and an old China hand who has lived and worked there for 20 years.

China’s central bank added another $46.3 billion to its coffers in the first half of the year, putting the People's Bank of China's foreign currency reserves to $3 trillion. To put that into perspective, China has more money sitting in reserves than Brazil's entire economy produces annually.

Strong wage growth, low household debt, mild inflation and consumer optimism resulted in real retail sales growth of 9.3% in the first half of the year. U.S. real retail sales growth was 2.3% over the same period. Worth noting, spending by Chinese consumers was equal to only 22% of U.S. retail sales 10 years ago. In 2016, it rose to the equivalent of 87% of American consumer spending and is likely to beat the U.S. within a decade. No wonder no one can truly beat up on China.

We will have to reserve that disdain for the Russians.

Back to the matter at hand...China's per capita urban household income rose 6.5% in the first half, up from a 5.8% growth rate during the first half of 2016.

The rebalancing of the Chinese economy continues a pace, with consumption accounting for 63.4% of GDP growth in the first half of 2017, up from a 44.7% contribution during the same period in 2010, Rothman says.

"The consumer story should remain healthy in the coming quarters, and drive an increasingly larger share of China’s economic growth over the coming years," Rothman predicts. Fox Business News, CNBC and Bloomberg need to talk to Rothman instead of the usual chorus of China naysayers.

China's Piggy Bank Is Way Bigger Than Yours*

China's central bank has $3 trillion sitting in reserves...at least. That means it has more money tucked away to defend its currency and economy from crises than the entire GDP of these significant economies:

UK GDP: $2.6 trillion

France GDP: $2.46 trillion

India GDP: $2.3 trillion

Italy GDP: $1.85 trillion

Brazil GDP: $1.79 trillion

Canada GDP: $1.53 trillion

Russia GDP: $1.2 trillion

Australia GDP: $1.2 trillion

Mexico GDP: $1.04 billion

Saudi Arabia GDP: $646 billion

and even...

Sweden GDP: $511 billion. Sweden!

I think the said predictions are driven more by political bias than economic acumen.
 

sanblvd

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Look like all the naysayer that China will grow old before it get rich or China's future will be bleak because its population will decline is going to be wrong again. China is experiencing a small baby boom for their 2 child policy.

With this new bump in new birth + future automation manufacturing that means China will have no problem taking care of its elderly in the near future, as well as have enough young people to keep China expanding and strong.

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Most births this year added a child beyond first one

More than half of the births in China during the first five months of the year involved a second child - or even additional ones - more than a year after the universal second-child policy was introduced in January 2016, according to China's top health authority.

The number of births at Chinese hospitals between January and May was 7.4 million, an increase of 7.8 percent over the same period last year, Wang Peian, vice-minister of the National Health and Family Planning Commission, said at an annual meeting of the China Population Association held in Kunming, Yunnan Province, last week.

Of all births in the first five months, 57.7 percent were at least the second child of their parents, an increase of 8.5 percentage points over the same period last year, he said.

The total number of births at hospitals in China last year was about 18.5 million, the highest level since 2000, according to the commission. More than 99 percent of births in China take place in hospitals.

The universal second-child policy has produced good results, and the number of babies born has been increasing significantly despite a drop in the number of women of fertile age, Wang said.

Over the past year, health authorities have been improving measures to support the policy and establish a social environment that encourages childbirth, he said.

With an increasing number of pregnancies, China faces some health challenges in the next few years - for example, a significant number of the mothers are over 35 - according to health officials and doctors. The number of pregnant women over age 35 is expected to remain at about 3 million through 2020.

"Surveys show that many couples from the generation born in the 1970s who were hesitant about having a second child during the initial period when the universal second-child policy was adopted are now hurrying to give birth to a second child so they won't miss that last chance," Ma Xiaowei, another vice-minister of the commission, said last week.

In Guilin, in the Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region, more than 28 percent of women who gave birth last year were at higher risk in pregnancy and childbirth, according to a report in Guilin Evening News on Friday. One factor was age.

At Guilin Women and Children's Hospital, doctors saved 140 pregnant women in critical condition in the first half of the year. The oldest pregnant woman treated so far this year was 56, the report said.

China introduced its family planning policy in the late 1970s to check its soaring population by limiting most urban couples to one child. Couples in rural areas could have a second child if the first one was a girl, and in some ethnic regions couples in rural areas could have more than two children.

A major policy change at the end of 2013 allowed couples nationwide to have a second child if either parent was an only child. That limitation was erased last year.
 

Hendrik_2000

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As I said before STEM is still highly regarded in China but become the butt of joke in US Well let see what happened in 20 years
Future Tech dominance – China outnumber USA STEM Grads 8 to 1 and by 2030 15 to 1
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India, another academic powerhouse, had 2.6 million new STEM graduates last year while the U.S. had 568,000. Chinese STEM graduates outnumber US STEM grads 8.2 to 1.

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China has been building the equivalent of almost one university per week. It is part of a silent revolution that is causing a huge shift in the composition of the world’s population of graduates. For decades, the United States had the highest proportion of people going to university. They dominated the graduate market. Reflecting this former supremacy, among 55 to 64 year olds almost a third of all graduates in the world’s major economies are US citizens.

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These graduates fill the highest-paid entry positions in the most attractive employment sectors of IT, operations, real estate and finance. Chinese tech graduates do particularly well. In 2015 the top five highest paying graduate jobs were all IT related.

The government’s “Made in China 2025” strategy to become a global high-tech leader in industries such as advanced IT and robotics has created plenty of opportunities for graduates in these fields.

Not only are the starting salaries high, but long-term earnings follow a starkly different trajectory. Three years after graduating, the top 15% of engineering, economics and science graduates earn more than double the median salary for other graduates.

Despite the rapid increase in the number of university graduates, Chinese companies complain of not being able to find the high-skilled graduates they need. The main deficit is in so-called “soft skills” such as strong communication, analytical and managerial skills. According to research by McKinsey, there is a short supply of graduates with these assets.
 

siegecrossbow

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Look like all the naysayer that China will grow old before it get rich or China's future will be bleak because its population will decline is going to be wrong again. China is experiencing a small baby boom for their 2 child policy.

With this new bump in new birth + future automation manufacturing that means China will have no problem taking care of its elderly in the near future, as well as have enough young people to keep China expanding and strong.

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Most births this year added a child beyond first one

More than half of the births in China during the first five months of the year involved a second child - or even additional ones - more than a year after the universal second-child policy was introduced in January 2016, according to China's top health authority.

The number of births at Chinese hospitals between January and May was 7.4 million, an increase of 7.8 percent over the same period last year, Wang Peian, vice-minister of the National Health and Family Planning Commission, said at an annual meeting of the China Population Association held in Kunming, Yunnan Province, last week.

Of all births in the first five months, 57.7 percent were at least the second child of their parents, an increase of 8.5 percentage points over the same period last year, he said.

The total number of births at hospitals in China last year was about 18.5 million, the highest level since 2000, according to the commission. More than 99 percent of births in China take place in hospitals.

The universal second-child policy has produced good results, and the number of babies born has been increasing significantly despite a drop in the number of women of fertile age, Wang said.

Over the past year, health authorities have been improving measures to support the policy and establish a social environment that encourages childbirth, he said.

With an increasing number of pregnancies, China faces some health challenges in the next few years - for example, a significant number of the mothers are over 35 - according to health officials and doctors. The number of pregnant women over age 35 is expected to remain at about 3 million through 2020.

"Surveys show that many couples from the generation born in the 1970s who were hesitant about having a second child during the initial period when the universal second-child policy was adopted are now hurrying to give birth to a second child so they won't miss that last chance," Ma Xiaowei, another vice-minister of the commission, said last week.

In Guilin, in the Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region, more than 28 percent of women who gave birth last year were at higher risk in pregnancy and childbirth, according to a report in Guilin Evening News on Friday. One factor was age.

At Guilin Women and Children's Hospital, doctors saved 140 pregnant women in critical condition in the first half of the year. The oldest pregnant woman treated so far this year was 56, the report said.

China introduced its family planning policy in the late 1970s to check its soaring population by limiting most urban couples to one child. Couples in rural areas could have a second child if the first one was a girl, and in some ethnic regions couples in rural areas could have more than two children.

A major policy change at the end of 2013 allowed couples nationwide to have a second child if either parent was an only child. That limitation was erased last year.

I think they should open up for a third child pretty soon.
 
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