Chinese Economics Thread

[AssassinsMace]

Believe what you want but if you get the chance , ask any Western NZder their views on Asian seafood acquiring practices. Dont be surprised with a load of swearing.

Wouldn't you know being Chinese? Why is that you sight NZ perspective as a testimonial? Wouldn't you know and confirm everything Westerners believe being Chinese just like every other argument you've done in here? Before when I noted the accusation that Asians were introducing invasive non-indigenous species into the San Francisco bay, you came off sounding like you were an outsider too. And if you're an outsider how would you know? Sounds like you slipped-up.

You ain't Chinese, right?

Im Chinese and its certainly not my point of view and as Tphuang said earlier, some criticisms of Chinese actions are deserved

Interesting how you're grabbing things out of the air now to argue about. Did any Chinese say China was perfect and a utopia that we would need you to tell the Chinese that that there are issue that need to be addressed?

Interesting how you throw in Tphuang's name into the mix. Don't you love that democracy at work. Declaring to be Chinese and confirming every little stereotype Westerners believe must make it true. Now that "two" Chinese agree with them, it's a law of the universe.

As an afterthought directed at members who think that China should be able to continue with the past practices of the West. Would members who were following the car in front for directions, see it take a wrong turning, and drive off the road and over the cliff, do the same thing?

Now we're following the West? Isn't China not obeying the West the whole point why you're all upset at China? Make up your mind.

 

[bladerunner]

Yes, I would, when it is a fact that driving off the cliff achieves and is the only way to achieve success.

The only way?

Surely not, In the short term it might be the quickest and cheapest, but not the
only way.

 

[bladerunner]

[QWhy is that you sight NZ perspective as a testimonial?

Because I live here. What do you expect, when you are descibing a incident in San Francisco, and I am empathising with you by providing a incident with a similar bias.

Wouldn't you know and confirm everything Westerners believe being Chinese just like every other argument you've done in here? Before when I noted the accusation that Asians were introducing invasive non-indigenous species into the San Francisco bay, you came off sounding like you were an outsider too. And if you're an outsider how would you know? Sounds like you slipped-up.

Now youve got me terribly confused here, It was response to you doubting my story or some alternative reason for bringing it up. Well in NZ theres this real time TV show called Shore Patrol run by the fishery Dept. Every week they showed transgressors helping themselves to more than the daily allowable amount of shellfish etc etc. Unfortunately a very high number of Asians were caught which invoked a public backlash, not unlike what happened in San Francisco. There was great delight in this Chinese lady who had her near new $150,000 Mercedes consficated,because she had more than the permissable amount..
You might suggest that the Asians were being picked on. However the beaches became depleted occured at the same time Asians in vast numbers started going down to the beach. I dont have an opinion on whether Asians are at fault but the press certainly tried their best to convince the public that they were, through selective cultural profiling.

You aren't Chinese Right?

Are you in sense making a statement, If so you are digging a big hole for yourself. By the same token nothing you have said identifies you as being Chinese has it?

Interesting how you're grabbing things out of the air now to argue about. Did any Chinese say China was perfect and a utopia that we would need you to tell the Chinese that that there are issue that need to be addressed?

Interesting how you throw in Tphuang's name into the mix. Don't you love that democracy at work. Declaring to be Chinese and confirming every little stereotype Westerners believe must make it true. Now that "two" Chinese agree with them, it's a law of the universe.

Hold on a minute whos grabbing things out of thing air to make a point.....Your suggestions that the Westerners would claim, Chinese made windmills are chopping up the birds, or that China is being blamed for suppling the Rawandas with instruments of death , when they are essentially nothing more than simple implements, essential in sustaining life in a farming society, suggests your imagination is in overdrive.


Now we're following the West? Isn't China not obeying the West the whole point why you're all upset at China? Make up your mind.[/QUOTE]

I think you have completely missed the point.
Im not upset and Im certainly not going to loose any sleep over the matter. This debate started out about global warming and some members in this forum, holding the view that development using the old Western industrial revolution model was ok. Fair enough but I just happen to express a different view and I most certainly have not rammed this view down your throats. I fail to see how holding a different view is China bashing.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Because I live here. What do you expect, when you are descibing a incident in San Francisco, and I am empathising with you by providing a incident with a similar bias.

Because you don't need NZ testimonials when you can confirm it yourself because being Chinese means you know.

Just like you said here...

I don't find that surprising, but sometimes criticisms of Asian practices appear to have some validity. One such one could be the sustainability of resources..

In NZ we are blessed with an abundance of seafood of allsorts alot of which are appealing to the Asian palete. Despite notices well place in Access points
and in Asian newspapers, time after time the biggest trangressors in taking more than the permissable amount or undersized, are Asians. This has lead to a Asian back lash when certain popular beaches were closed because of deletion.

As a Chinese wouldn't you know that it's a common practice for Asians to release invasive non-indigenous species into a foreign eco-system so why would it "appear to have some validity" when you can just confirm it in spite that official investigations said it came the ballast of ships? I've personally never heard of that practice and it sounds absurd. Because in order to be successful to have most non-idigenous species take hold in a foreign eco-system, you have to introduce a lot of them. Since you're an expert on Asians in San Francisco, how did they transpot a large amount of these foreign species into the bay? And if you say this happens in New Zealand, what foreign species from Asia did Asians introduce there when they're already in Asia?

Now youve got me terribly confused here, It was response to you doubting my story or some alternative reason for bringing it up. Well in NZ theres this real time TV show called Shore Patrol run by the fishery Dept. Every week they showed transgressors helping themselves to more than the daily allowable amount of shellfish etc etc. Unfortunately a very high number of Asians were caught which invoked a public backlash, not unlike what happened in San Francisco. There was great delight in this Chinese lady who had her near new $150,000 Mercedes consficated,because she had more than the permissable amount..
You might suggest that the Asians were being picked on. However the beaches became depleted occured at the same time Asians in vast numbers started going down to the beach. I dont have an opinion on whether Asians are at fault but the press certainly tried their best to convince the public that they were, through selective cultural profiling.

What incident in San Francisco are you talking about? There was no such incident similar to what you say happened in NZ. Are you actually equating the false accusation of introducing foreign species into the bay the same with over fishing in NZ. Is that like how you make a distinct difference between Chinese buying "illegal" timber being a more serious crime than Westerners buying organs they know were from people that were killed for their organs? That's really distorted. And we're suppose to take you seriously?

Are you forgetting the false charge was based on racism and lies, so the "backlash" had no merit. Which I suspect NZ is a similar situation. We've heard of the historical anti-Chinese attitude over there. Non-Asians get caught illegally fishing over here all the time. Does that mean they are responsible for all the problems happening here?

Are you in sense making a statement, If so you are digging a big hole for yourself. By the same token nothing you have said identifies you as being Chinese has it?

Yeah I suspect you're not Chinese because you talk about Chinese in a xenophobic way. I don't care if you think I'm not Chinese. Yeah being able to counter anything the anti-China critics throw... yeah I'm undermining the Chinese in a dastardly plot.

Hold on a minute whos grabbing things out of thing air to make a point.....Your suggestions that the Westerners would claim, Chinese made windmills are chopping up the birds, or that China is being blamed for suppling the Rawandas with instruments of death , when they are essentially nothing more than simple implements, essential in sustaining life in a farming society, suggests your imagination is in overdrive.

And the charge of Chinese being responsible for the Rwandan massacre because the machetes were made in China is made in this book...

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And look to yourself. If you can charge and perpetuate a lie that Asians intentionally introduced an invasive foreign species into the San Francisco bay even though after an official report said it was from ships' ballast tanks, you don't think someone of your mindset will sound the alarm bells and blame China for the death of untold numbers of birds because of windmills?

I fail to see how holding a different view is China bashing.

What is your view? You expect China to obey every activists that makes a charge as if they have the most honest intentions. Then you contradict yourself telling us not to follow the West. Your critical view of China then serves no purpose but China-bashing.

 

[Blitzo]

Ah Ha your post clarifies a few things for me... thanks
Meanwhile theres an awful lot of unemployed Westerners, who think that going into China was a mistake. Im sure you are well aware of that so theres no need for a expanded rant

IM listening to Kerry Woodham on ZB talkback radio, and they criticising these pretty little Asian/but really chinese girls that like play chicken on the pedestrian crossing.They wait there and just b4 you hit the crossing, they run out holding hands and gigling. What a craze, if theyre not careful theyre gonna get splattered on the road while wearing their hello kitty tee shirts.

Umm, sorry but were you saying I was ranting?

And on the whole Chinese girl playing chicken on road thing, what purpose does saying that "if they're not careful they'll get splattered" serve? The tone of the way you talk about Chinese people in general conveys disgust, and contempt. It really does make it seem like you detest your own people (if you are chinese).
I think that thinking you're "china bashing" isn't that an outworldly claim.

If you are Chinese, once again I say that I'm not that surprised that you're kind of dissing your own people, because many Chinese people hate their people and country and think that the west is totally superior. Some just believe that everything Chinese is inferior to everyone else which is quite frustrating for the rest of us. Of course some will then use the claim that "I'm chinese" excuse to say that their view isn't screwed up because they provide a negative view point on China by a chinese person, therefore it's unbiased. Not that I'm saying anyone here is like that, but it's a fascinating side note.

And on the radio as well, I always hear the white talk show hosts (not trying to be racist, but they are admittedly white) dissing asians and chinese people. On one station I listen to, they have this asian producer who they always pick on and basically make them their b**ch. White people these days, and in NZ as well seem to make it almost a culture of trying to make Asians seem inferior.

 

[RedMercury]

It's the internets. Nobody is anything. I can claim to be Chinese but you can't prove it nor disprove it, so making claims is useless, irrelevant, and misleading. The only thing that matters is what you post. Having said that I'm an evil genius.

 

[bladerunner]

It's the internets. Nobody is anything. I can claim to be Chinese but you can't prove it nor disprove it, so making claims is useless, irrelevant, and misleading. The only thing that matters is what you post. Having said that I'm an evil genius.

Therefore anyone that expressess an opinion in this forum that is not in keeping with other forum members is not Chinese. Is that what you are inferring?

 

[bladerunner]

Umm, sorry but were you saying I was ranting?

Nope I was referring to myself

And on the whole Chinese girl playing chicken on road thing, what purpose does saying that "if they're not careful they'll get splattered" serve? The tone of the way you talk about Chinese people in general conveys disgust, and contempt. It really does make it seem like you detest your own people (if you are chinese).
I think that thinking you're "china bashing" isn't that an outworldly claim.

Actually I was unthinkingly repeating what the Talkback Host said word for word. about splattering. Actually come to think of it I would have probably used the same expression and direct it at all races..For me the use doesnt convey any disrepect to who its directed. In fact splattered is the best description as they were playing chicken along the Albany Freeway how else would you describe someone playing Chicken getting hit by a cars doing up to 90k an hour

If you are Chinese, once again I say that I'm not that surprised that you're kind of dissing your own people, because many Chinese people hate their people and country and think that the west is totally superior. Some just believe that everything Chinese is inferior to everyone else which is quite frustrating for the rest of us. Of course some will then use the claim that "I'm chinese" excuse to say that their view isn't screwed up because they provide a negative view point on China by a chinese person, therefore it's unbiased. Not that I'm saying anyone here is like that, but it's a fascinating side note.

I hope you dont think Im being condescending, but Im a descendant from one of the original Chinese migrants, which explains why I dont have a Chinese mindset we only numbered a few hundred in a land nearly the size of Japan, and for some of us, interacting with fellow Chinese was a rarity. Therefore we have developed a very European mindset though keeping a low profile. I think we are often referred to as bananas or something, by later migrants but that doesnt mean that deep down in the recesses of our mind, we dont have some emotional attachment to the land of our ancestors.
Perhaps thats an advantage because we dont carry any baggage that may effect our attitude in dealing with the world
Anyway my wife who use to teach at your school many yrs ago and me if i decide to go and keep her company are gonna get a dose of genuine Chinese culture as shes been asked if she wanted to attend Peking University/ confuscious institute in Jan by the govt
Jan what a time to be there but bring on the tucka. I think they said she would be staying in student dorms, boy I hope theyre comfortable.



And on the radio as well, I always hear the white talk show hosts (not trying to be racist, but they are admittedly white) dissing asians and chinese people. On one station I listen to, they have this asian producer who they always pick on and basically make them their b**ch. White people these days, and in NZ as well seem to make it almost a culture of trying to make Asians seem inferior.

What station is that?

 

[Blitzo]

What station is that?

The Edge 94.2 (for auckland), the morning mad house, from like 6 to 10 ish. They usually have the asian producer on every now and then in which they he would every now and then make an appearance. Even though the whole dissing him thing is kind of a joke, it is quite degrading. But I suppose I am a bit oversensitive to racism-ness.

The afternoon show's two hosts are probably more blatantly racist against asians though (and a few other races to an extent).

I hope you dont think Im being condescending, but Im a descendant from one of the original Chinese migrants, which explains why I dont have a Chinese mindset we only numbered a few hundred in a land nearly the size of Japan, and for some of us, interacting with fellow Chinese was a rarity. Therefore we have developed a very European mindset though keeping a low profile. I think we are often referred to as bananas or something, by later migrants but that doesnt mean that deep down in the recesses of our mind, we dont have some emotional attachment to the land of our ancestors.
Perhaps thats an advantage because we dont carry any baggage that may effect our attitude in dealing with the world
Anyway my wife who use to teach at your school many yrs ago and me if i decide to go and keep her company are gonna get a dose of genuine Chinese culture as shes been asked if she wanted to attend Peking University/ confuscious institute in Jan.
Jan what a time to be there but bring on the tucka. I think they said she would be staying in student dorms, boy I hope theyre comfortable.

I suppose being descended from one of the first immigrants to NZ would explain quite a bit about your mindset (which is fine of course, everyone has their own opinions)..

And no I do not think you were being condescending, but I was slightly miffed at a few of your arguments. But still, that's what a forum is I suppose.

(My parents about a week ago offered me the option of going back to China for university when I was finished with highschool, for like a year or something, because they felt I should experience the Chinese uni student "lifestyle". I pointed out that it would have changed a lot from when they were in uni haha.. But it was definitely an interesting proposition.)

 

[bladerunner]

And no I do not think you were being condescending, but I was slightly miffed at a few of your arguments. But still, that's what a forum is I suppose.

Can you please enlighten me in case a apology is in order, but as I explained but perhaps my mindset prevents me from seing anything wrong in the way i might express things. I like to go for the jugular anyway perhaps I should stay away from these threads and keep to the food and drink one But since youve been here a while now you must have come to appreciate, going around dissing things is part of the culture, perhaps its just a defensive/ insecurity mode in us, and respect comes from being able to give as good as you get.

(My parents about a week ago offered me the option of going back to China for university when I was finished with highschool, for like a year or something, because they felt I should experience the Chinese uni student "lifestyle". I pointed out that it would have changed a lot from when they were in uni haha.. But it was definitely an interesting proposition.)

My sons good friend comes from China and he says its much easier here.
What do you intend studying?