SamuraiBlue, have you ever been to China? One way to understand China is that China has a regional diversity level comparable to the United States. Culture in Jiangnan is not the same as the culture in the Beijing region, nor is that the same as culture in the Chinese northeast, or culture in Sichuan, or Han culture in Xinjiang, or culture in Guangdong. Thinking of China as a uniform quantity is a huge mistake; I can point out to Kanto-Kansai differences, but these are far lesser than North-South cultural differences in China.
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SamuraiBlue
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Japan has no habit of constructing ghost towns.
It's completely idiotic to artificially create demand to fill supply. It should be the other way around reducing supply to meet demand. Have PRC been able to reduce the ghost town supply?
No?
Creating more supply of ghost towns is never the answer.
PiSigma
"the engineer"
Have you seen this?
Unlike Japan, China is getting more populated and all those people need new housing.
Some of those cities are ghosts and empty, but the majority are filled. Most the famous ghost towns reported before all filled now.
Many developed nations with no population growth prospects or rural to urban migration left (and places like flint Michigan) will soon have ghost town cleaning services.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Ahahahahaaa, you say it like it's a good thing that Japan doesn't have enough space for kids to play a game of hopscotch! A gaunt beggar starving to death says he's happy he has no habit of overeating so he doesn't get fat LOL. Japan wishes it had a place to construct a town on where people could finally stretch their legs haha. Building new cities isn't the answer, you say? Why don't you hold that thought and tell everyone what the answer is when Japan's population density in the cities drops below the point where people have to line up outside at 4am to buy a load of bread from the 7'x10' store that opens at 8am? You'd think it was Black Friday everyday until you saw they just spent $26 for 2 servings of bread LOL
Reduce supply? What's that mean? Knock down your current cities because of population decline? Does Japan do that? LOLOL You should be an adviser to Abe with all your bright ideas haha
What is China's population? What is China's land mass? Compare density to... say... USA. It's by all means crowded enough in its current cities. Try driving around Beijing; forget about it! A "ghost town" is simply a modern city waiting to be populated and turned into another Shanghai. There's the infrastructure and there's the people. Only problem is that most of those rural people are too poor to buy real estate to move in and all the rich people are already established in the traditional metropolises. A little government help, some incentives to move there for the already-established to kick things off, some loans for the poor guys with ideas who can become the lifeblood of the city, and boom! New engine of growth for national GDP. I'd prefer to move to one of these new places than Beijing or Shanghai, to be honest. Cheaper rent/ real estate price, less traffic, less people waiting in line, more room to grow and expand!
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Japan can't build ghost cities because the country is greying like crazy and the population is declining. Chinese ghost cities, on the other hand, are actually being filled up.
About Chinese ghost cities:
Chinese ghost cities are often filling up at the expense of older, more densely populated cities. It is actually more of a solution to 拆, or the habit of Chinese cities of demolishing older housing, often without due process.
About Chinese ghost cities:
Chinese ghost cities are often filling up at the expense of older, more densely populated cities. It is actually more of a solution to 拆, or the habit of Chinese cities of demolishing older housing, often without due process.
@MQRX: The issue with Japan is more about overcentralization in Tokyo. There are many ghost towns, or geriatric towns, in Japan, somewhat similar to China, but that's because all the young residents moved out, instead of excess supply. I'm a bit disappointed Toru Hashimoto is out of politics, I liked his plan to restructure Japan around its regions instead of Tokyo.
@SamuraiBlue: I like how calmly you're taking this. I know from sociology that Japanese often have a strong group affiliation, and like everyone else in East Asia, you get very defensive when your group is attacked, see how the ethnic Chinese posters are behaving. I'm personally a fan of Toyota's Kaizen, Mishima Yukio, Kenzaburo Oe, and Murakami Haruki (which is common among Chinese), so I would like to say I have some level of appreciation of your culture. Foreign relations issues, like history and geopolitical postures, are problems of everyone in the region, but cultural and social issues are the private business of the Japanese.
A shame that no one can get the Chinese here to pull their punches. I appreciate you as an alternative point of view.
@SamuraiBlue: I like how calmly you're taking this. I know from sociology that Japanese often have a strong group affiliation, and like everyone else in East Asia, you get very defensive when your group is attacked, see how the ethnic Chinese posters are behaving. I'm personally a fan of Toyota's Kaizen, Mishima Yukio, Kenzaburo Oe, and Murakami Haruki (which is common among Chinese), so I would like to say I have some level of appreciation of your culture. Foreign relations issues, like history and geopolitical postures, are problems of everyone in the region, but cultural and social issues are the private business of the Japanese.
A shame that no one can get the Chinese here to pull their punches. I appreciate you as an alternative point of view.
SamuraiBlue
Captain
Although Japan's population is like you said declining it is still in no dire threat( to my knowledge less then 0.2% from peak at the moment). The greying situation is also a problem as well but with various social safety nets and a very active/healthy elder society wanting to keep working after 55 it's not as bad as SK or PRC.
As for ghost towns, there are none that was one from the beginning and most are more like villages then cities with skyscrapers.
As for affiliation to the Japanese ethnic group, not really. I was raised in the US when I was young and I consider myself as a critical thinker based on facts.
antiterror13
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antiterror13
Brigadier
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Critical thinker based on facts?? LOLOL Are you blushing from all that self-flattery?
I am a critical thinker based on facts. I read an American article about Chinese ghost towns and I think, 'With China's massive population, congestion in the current megacities, large population of rural residents needing a modern residential upgrade, how could building new cities be wrong? It's just a matter of getting the big pieces to click together.' That is critical thinking.
Parroting Gordon Chang (or the likes) articles about ghost towns (They built a new city! Quick; let's get over there and take pictures before the people move in so we can call it a ghost town! USA brownie points!) is regurgitation, not critical thinking.
Making up stories about how Chinese research was poorly thought out and can be easily turned into biological weapons by terrorists while you don't have any background in biology is bull_hit, not critical thinking. (Thought I forgot about that one, didn't you? BS about biology again and either Vesicles or myself will embarrass you again depending on who gets there first.)