Chinese Economics Thread
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
I have all the respect for Indian as individual but not the government or the ruling class. And he went ballistic because his champion doesn't perform as well.In a way it question his long held belief
He talk all the symptom of dysfunctional government that has yet to find cure for all their problem
Just like a good doctor you don't treat the symptom of sickness but you need to cure the cause of the sickness . All I want is discourse what is the cause. No need to go ballistic.enough said !
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I believe your intension was not to offending other members. I also believe that when we go into deep discussion of economics, eventually we will touch its foundations such as history and culture, that is inevitable particularly economics.
I also believe (and agree with you) that it is unavoidable to compare countries when discussing not only economics but also technology, industry and agriculture development as they are all human social activities. Without comparison, no lesson can be learnt. China's recent change is a good example of Chinese consciously comparing ourselves with many others, European, USA, Japan, Korea and India is no exception. For this reason, I want to change my "advice" of "NOT" to "carefully considering".
However, it (the comparison) is a sensitive matter to many, I am sure many Chinese are sensitive to it and may not be able to appreciate it just like Bo Yang has faced bitter response back then. Maybe, IMHO, next time a calm response to reassure good intension will be helpful to continue the discussion. Forgive me if I sound like a MOD which I am not, nor do I pretend.
Let's return to the subject of Chinese economics.
Cheers
Ultra
Junior Member
Erm............ Did you actually read WHO wrote that article?
His name is Jayant Bhandari.
It is stated in the article's title.
This is what he looks like:
Does he look CHINESE to you?
This is his website:
It is stated he was born in INDIA.
He went to school in India and got a Bachelor of Engineering from SGSITS (India).
He is an INDIAN.
So before you start spouting retarded nonsense about China or Chinese being racist,
Why don't you READ before you start acting like an ignorant idiot accusing chinese being racist and condescending?
Here is a bonus for you:
India is extraordinarily corrupt & increasingly chaotic - Jayant Bhandari Interview
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Looking at the responses so far, it's like, if you agree with Jayant Bhandari's article, then he's the Indian Bo Yang, and his "harsh" assessment of Indian Culture is just done with the intention of helping. If you disagree with him, then he's like the Indian Gordon Chang and his assessment of Indian Culture is just toxic self hate.
Lethe
Captain
I like your distinction between "constructive" and "destructive" criticism and the idea that the latter can also be useful. I do not disagree with this. Recently I read an excellent book by Pankaj Mishra, "From the Ruins of Empire: The Revolt Against the West and the Remaking of Asia" that looks at the various intellectual responses in non-western nations to western power, some "constructive" and some "destructive". The book focuses on three figures in particular, Jamal al-Din Al-Afghani, Liang Qichao, and Rabindranath Tagore, but features a rich supporting cast also. The value of the book, in my opinion, is in highlighting the relationships between various modes of thought expressed in disparate societies with unique experiences.
Nonetheless, I do not think the linked article has any value as "destructive" criticism either. Its claims are either wrong/stupid (e.g. the focus on absolute rather than proportional growth), reiterating the obvious and universally acknowledged (e.g. ongoing issues with corruption, sanitation, etc.), or so vague as to be analytically useless (e.g. the idea that India lacks "reason").
The article is useful for those looking to have their own sense of cultural superiority affirmed, and that is about it. Most here will be well acquainted with similar articles in western publications about China -- that is to say, articles that are less concerned with understanding and engaging with China than in reinforcing a message of ongoing western superiority and Chinese inferiority -- and it is unfortunate that they cannot recognise the same material when it is directed at others.
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Lethe
Captain
Yeah, like I'm really going to take advice about recognising racism from someone who goes around 'Liking' blatantly racist posts.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
The fact is, you thought this article was written by the Chinese, and went to discredit it because of that, without actually checking if that were true. Multiple people, including Ultra, called you out, and you really have no defense because no defense is possible when you issue an "alternative fact" that gets checked. Even KellyAnne Conway would cringe at how hard you were caught by that, and attacking other's previous "activities" does nothing to detract or distract from your obvious mistake.Yeah, like I'm really going to take advice about recognising racism from someone who goes around 'Liking' blatantly racist posts.
That said, racism, when practiced with hate, can have severe consequences, however, using it as an observatory tool for how the world works is often quite useful. I wrote that post that he liked and in it, every point stands. There are differences between China and India, some racial, some religious, that are reflected in hard truth and I haven't seen anyone refute it. For the average Chinese or American or European, China is just a much more pleasant place to be than India. Maybe if you think not, then go try it and ask yourself whether you'd like to live there. I believe that this reason is a very strong contributor to why India cannot attract foreign investment like China can. Stereotypes, though quick to be attacked, are based solidly on truth, and observation of populations. (There are no stereotypes that say Asians are academically poor or that black people are poor athletes, are there?) There will always be people who don't fit this data, but those small numbers are unable to change the mean, and thus, those stereotypes remain.
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Lethe
Captain
This is, of course, nonsense. I didn't mention the fact that the author was Indian because it was irrelevant to the point that he was writing garbage that a number of Chinese readers apparently found quite gratifying to their sense of superiority, just as Gordon Chang writes garbage that American readers find gratifying to their sense of superiority. There have always been those willing to scorn their own people and flatter the powerful in exchange for their approval. African Americans even have a specific term for them: House Negroes.
I was referring to your garbage about Chinese women being fair-skinned and therefore more attractive and Indian women being darker-skinned and less attractive, and your related comments about body odour.
And before you say it, yes, the association between fair skin and beauty exists in Indian society as well, and it is disgraceful there also. To say that women of one race are more beautiful than another is to reveal the limitation of one's imagination, it says more about the speaker than those spoken of.
I can assure you, there are few in Australia who would wish to live in China. On the other hand, there are many Chinese and Indians (and Kenyans Lebanese, etc.) who live here, and I am fortunate to call some of them friends and always honoured to learn of their cultures. I could imagine that current and recent historical circumstance reflects the innate superiority of Australian and western culture, but then I am not so arrogant and condescending of humanity, and I rejoice in both the material progress of other cultures and their efforts to reclaim and preserve their cultural dignity. If only the same could be said of others.
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