Chinese Economics Thread

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
Wow! There are more historical maps of China showing that they never ruled over places they claim? Waiting for a pretty cool stuff again, lol

What is the relation between the "economic retreating vs. engagement" debate and your maps? By bringing in unrelated subjects into a debate, you seems to lack the basics of logics and are deliberately flame-baiting in the forum. I must say that your behavior is pathetic and twisted.

P.S. those historical maps you meant are just maps made by somebody or anybody. Does anybody care? I don't, and China don't. You take those maps as a treasure? I treat them as toilet papers.

P.S. I haven't seen (and I don't expect) your thought about your "13.6% = 50%" meth solution yet. Care to share with us how you reached that result? Seems meth is not the only failure or yours in school, logic is another one.
 
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AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
There's no point getting personal about this sort of thing. Sometimes people are just too emotionally involved or can't change their views/prejudices.

The government stats show foreign inward investment into China is still growing.

Logically speaking, China has excess savings and is moving up the technology value chain, so foreign inward investment should become less important to China anyway.

Furthermore, China received more foreign inward investment than the USA did in 2015 and 2014, so it simply doesn't look like there is any issue at all.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
This is the same nonsense like when Paul McCartney announced a press conference where he declared he wasn't going to the 2008 Beijing Olympics because of politics. Paul McCartney thought China was going to have a revolution because the Chinese were going to be denied the honor of being in his presence. No different from the various expatriate bloggers that get in the news because they've announced they're leaving because China has lost its charm for them. The media will interpret that as freedoms are getting worse but it's really as simple as the Chinese have matured and no longer see Westerners as unique figures so they don't feel as special anymore. These US/European companies are leaving because their businesses have failed. That's why they're not expanding. Does anyone think the ones making money are leaving? That's what the article tries to make it sound like suggesting even the ones that make money are choosing to leave. You notice they don't even name a company? What kind of businesses are they in? Selling cans of fresh air that the Western media said was big business and they'll report it that way because it serves their propaganda? Of course the media can't lie, right?
 
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Yvrch

Junior Member
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looks as if the Europeans are retreating from PRC as well.


Looks as if Japanese disagree and still put their money in PRC.

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Says the Ministry of Commerce of the People's Republic of China which most people would take a bucket of salt with the results they announce.

Not very insuring.LoL

Probably we should take a bucket of salt with whatever you said over here, or with your own government's data. Take your pick.

Not very bright, let alone assuring.
LOL indeed.
 

nugroho

Junior Member
Says the Ministry of Commerce of the People's Republic of China which most people would take a bucket of salt with the results they announce.

Not very insuring.LoL
for you everything good for China is not insuring, but everything bad about China although is baseless is trustable, if you have had this kind of perception , why must you still discuss in this forum???
 

Janiz

Senior Member
for you everything good for China is not insuring, but everything bad about China although is baseless is trustable, if you have had this kind of perception , why must you still discuss in this forum???
Samurai's posts are pretty good when it goes to military matters. He's well informed, knows what he's talking about (90% of the time at least ;)). The same can't be said about many users who post here (usually on on this sub-forum or about PRC's disputes with it's neighbours) on the other hand. There's not much value in their knowledge of military aspects. I can post something like this here

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It's not my bias but I will be damned as 'anti-Chinese' and whatever else for not praising PRC as a country which, as we all know, doesn't have any problems or flaws... There's no room for discussion about problems because it will immediately result in personal insults.

EOT for know.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Not at all, Janiz, you can post a graph like that based on facts, and the people who know about economics can chime in as to what can be done, what it means, etc... But if you post a graph like that and then say, "See? This is evidence that China's going collapse," now, you're anti-China and Gordon Changing. Samurai does indeed sound knowledgeable, but so does Gordon Chang to someone who doesn't look at the big picture. You can sound very knowledgeable picking small things, trying to interpret them to fit what you want the story to be, to an audience who wants to believe you. But in the end, is Gordon Chang right? He boldly predicted China's collapse to have happened several years ago, and then even revised to date (which has passed as well) so no, he's wrong. So based on past indicators, no matter how knowledgeable he sounds in the future, I'll know that he's probably BSing for people who don't know better and will mostly likely be wrong again. Being so wrong, so often (probably every time) and still maintaining himself as a "respected" contributor to Forbes, Gordon Chang truly taught me that people can sound very knowledgeable while being 180 degrees wrong, and I see that perfectly reflected in Samurai. This is completely aside from the fact that he entirely and obviously misinterpreted the last article he cited not even from an analytical view (because you need to at least understand the author or data before analyzing), but from the very fundamentals of reading comprehension.

I'll admit that my knowledge in many areas is rudimentary. How do I determine who's right and who's wrong? I look at the big trends. I see China's economic numbers every years so I know that no matter how knowledgeable some people may sound when they say China's economy has hit a brick wall, their narrative does not match up with the forest, though it can be manipulated to look a certain way when seeing only 1 tree. Then, this is further bolstered by the fact that I've heard many many times that China has a problem with X (inflation, labor costs, human rights, inability to innovate, etc...), which will kill its economy. Stories like this were coming out for as long as I can remember, but each time, the government has found a way to overcome the issue and get the economy growing like a teenager. So the history of trends tells me that when I hear another doomsday story about China because of a fresh new X (or an old one), it's probably going to be overcome in short order as well. So, you don't have to praise China, Janiz; that helps no one. But when you contribute, do keep in mind the big picture and make any extrapolations reasonable.
 
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