Chinese Economics Thread

[SamuraiBlue]

Where did I argue that democracy is dragging other countries' development? Where did I say communism in China was the best. I didn't. Is this how the people like you always operate generalizing what others may have said or make it up to claim I said it? China was the number one economy for most of its 5000 year history. Didn't need your help for that. Sorry to inform you but it was overseas Chinese that invested into China. They were the first that started the ball rolling. And let's not forget how colonialist stole China's wealth to make themselves rich. Not to mention other means like getting people addicted to drugs to make money. To claim China owes those people for its advancement today is laughable because China and the rest of the world could argue the same to the West. Europe is a land of little natural resources. Hence why the countries that have little have more a conquering history of taking things. You mean like how Western colonialisms didn't take others' ideas and put their name on it? Yeah like every modern weapon wouldn't exist without the basic designs coming out of China inventing it? Where would you be without all those weapons. It sure wasn't being benevolent that got you world power.

Your argument as always is going so much left and right painting with a very broad brush can't really figure out where to start.
First of all anyone that had learned Chinese history knows that Mainland China had more then a few rough patches resulting to dynasty change which really reeked havoc within the nation so your claim stating China was the number one economy for 5000 years is a very long stretch.
Second the ones who left china before Communism set in had little if nothing to do with investment in China during the late 70's since most had no ties with PRC. The latest immigrants out of China before Communism took over were remnants of ROC and they sure did not invest in mainland china when PRC opened doors that is for sure.
China did not invent crossbows and did not invent the knife. That goes for guns as well.
Basically your argument is based on unrelated rants that has no constructive logic to string them together making it hard to understand and impossible to make a constructive debate.
China was the number one economy for most of its 5000 year history. Didn't need your help for that.

 

[Blackstone]

Oh you mean ONLY China has corrupt officials and the US dosen't?

What a silly remark, since even you know that statement is ridiculous on facts.

 

[Blackstone]

Typical. You claimed that the CPC was making self-serving rules, and when called out on it, you changed it to "enriching themselves at the expense of the people".

Considering your track record, I wasn't really expecting anything else.

Oh CPC is it? Since you know I said Communist officials and not the Party itself, you negate your own efforts to misrepresent what I said. You lose on facts, so you spin with half-truths. I'm disappointed in you.

 

[plawolf]

Someone is channeling his inner Trump, hard!

 

[Quickie]

Yeah but at what cost?
The air, water pollution is completely without any working regulations that is killing thousands if not millions. Heavy metal tainted rice, the collapsing fishing resources forcing fishermen to poach fishing water on the other side of the planet.
Don't think it's anything to praise openhanded.

Wow, the accuracy of your point aside, your negativity on a certain country is shooting off the scale.
Regulation can only do so much when a country's rate of industrialization is at such a high level that's unprecedented in the history of mankind. As an example in accord with this point, China, in the year 2011 to 2013, used as much cement as the United States in the whole of last 20th Century. Imagine the amount of pollution that is created just from this one commodity alone, cement, from its production to its usage in the various building industries. If one include the production and usage of all the rest of the other commodities, example steel, which is also at a similarly unbelievable high level, one get the picture of the amount of pollution that would result.

If one wants to make a comparison of pollution level, one can't simply compare a country in the middle of development to that of a fully developed country. It is more appropriate to make a comparison of similar time period of a country's industrialization.

 

[Equation]

What a silly remark, since even you know that statement is ridiculous on facts.

What's so "silly" about proving you wrong? I know you hate the CPC for doing such a fantastic job for uprising hundreds of millions of their own people out of poverty (something no other country could ever match) and hundreds more into middle class status. C'mon, we all know you are hiding behind that hypocrisy phony freedom and "God" because you know deep down the people wants good leaders to lead them into a better life for them and their kids, and that the rise of the CPC way of doing things are threatening your beloved corrupted two party system.

 

[Quickie]

Edit: China actually used more cement, not as much cement.

China used more cement between 2011 and 2013 than the U.S. used in the entire 20th Century.

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. But can it be true, and, if so, how? Yes, China’s economy has grown at an extraordinary rate, and it has more than four times as many people as the United States. But the 1900s were America’s great period of expansion, the century in which the U.S. built almost all of its roads and bridges, the Interstate system, the Hoover Dam, and many of the world’s tallest skyscrapers. And China and the U.S. are roughly the same size in terms of geographic area, ranking third and fourth in the world, respectively.

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[flyzies]

But of course only CCP overlords may impose self-serving rules on China's citizens, and they do a great job on that.

This post is what started this whole OT rant that's now 4 pages long and counting. Which means this thread will likely get locked again soon. What's even more annoying is that this post had nothing to do with the previous posts, which were all on the rising value of the RMB and real estate recovery.

In the future can we all please ignore such obvious flame bait?!

 

[AssassinsMace]

Your argument as always is going so much left and right painting with a very broad brush can't really figure out where to start.
First of all anyone that had learned Chinese history knows that Mainland China had more then a few rough patches resulting to dynasty change which really reeked havoc within the nation so your claim stating China was the number one economy for 5000 years is a very long stretch.
Second the ones who left china before Communism set in had little if nothing to do with investment in China during the late 70's since most had no ties with PRC. The latest immigrants out of China before Communism took over were remnants of ROC and they sure did not invest in mainland china when PRC opened doors that is for sure.
China did not invent crossbows and did not invent the knife. That goes for guns as well.
Basically your argument is based on unrelated rants that has no constructive logic to string them together making it hard to understand and impossible to make a constructive debate.
China was the number one economy for most of its 5000 year history. Didn't need your help for that.

For someone who claims to know, you have never have proof to say otherwise. The only thing going left and right is how the China haters are always contradicting themselves and each other desperately searching for a lie to cover up the truth. Just like how you spin what people state so you can think you have something to argue against. I never said there weren't any rough patches in China's history. Show me where I said that? Thanks for proving my point earlier how China haters think if someone doesn't hate China, they must believe China is perfect and nothing is wrong. Again show me proof who invested into China to give credit? Give me specific since you claim to know. No generalization. The Chinese diaspora was bigger than the Republic of China. Even Indians point to the Chinese diaspora that turned China into what it is today as something they want the Indian diaspora to do for India. Just as Janiz claims the West did all the work in ordered for China to advance so quickly, the same logic applies with weapons and many other things invented and discovered by China. China did invent the gun. I notice you don't mention, again, who did according to you. You figure you would mention who but maybe you knew that was a important invention from China that you just didn't want to admit was China's. Just like China invented the cannon. Same concept. How many modern weapons since work on those basics to this day? And China did invent the crossbow. When European merchants brought it to Europe from China, the Vatican banned it for years because it was such a deadly game-changing weapon. China also invented land and sea mines. China also invented the rocket. How many technologies came from that concept. Want a Westerner that will support what I've stated. Go read Robert Temple's book, The Genius of China. You must hate that title. That book was backed by esteemed Cambridge University scholar Joseph Needham. Where would the West be without the invention of oil derricks. Yes, China invented them too. You know how Japan declared war on the US for denying that precious commodity resource-less Japan needed so badly. The helicopter rotor and propeller came from something China invented. Without them you still be making giant bird wings and jumping off a cliff never knowing flight. That's only the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Blitzo]

I think it's pretty clear at this point that both sides are only interested in essentially measuring ****s and trying to cut the other side down to size.

As flyzies said, in future I think all parties should try to avoid dispensing out flamebait and avoid biting onto it, as the case may be.