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Hendrik_2000

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Not too long ago the buzz in the western press is "China will get old before she get rich" or the myth that " China will be trapped in mid income country like South America.
Well Not so fast Now China has surpassed Japan as the exporter of High Tech but at the same time still dominant in the low Tech as well So the myth of low tech will migrate to India or Vietnam is nothing but BS. Here is an article from Bloomberg not exactly China friendly

  • China accounts for 43.7% of Asia's exports of high-tech goods
  • China also leads in exports of low-tech goods with 55.4% share
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China has brought to an end Japan’s dominance of Asia’s high-technology exports, according to the Asian Development Bank.

China’s share of Asia’s exports of high-tech goods such as medical instruments, and aircraft and telecommunications equipment rose to 43.7 percent in 2014 from 9.4 percent in 2000, the ADB said. Japan’s share slid to 7.7 percent last year from 25.5 percent in 2000. Southeast Asian nations including Malaysia and Philippines also lost market share.

The shift marks China’s success in boosting innovation and technology as key drivers of its economy as it seeks to move up the manufacturing value chain. Low-tech goods accounted for 28 percent of China’s exports in 2014, compared with 41 percent in 2000, according to ADB’s Asian Economic Integration Report 2015 released Tuesday.

"China has made inroads in taking more and more hi-tech manufacturing onshore even as a lot of critical components are still imported from other countries," said Frederic Neumann, co-head of Asian economic research at HSBC Holdings Plc in Hong Kong. "It’s becoming highly competitive, with highly skilled labor and we’re seeing increasing research and development moving into China."

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China-made drones, smart phones, and even high-speed trains have become internationally competitive and the number of enterprises in the high-tech manufacturing sector has tripled to almost 30,000 from less than 10,000 in 2000, Shang-Jin Wei, ADB chief economist, said in an e-mail.

“We are seeing some signs of success in some industries,” he said. “But China is still not a global technology leader like the United States or Germany. What we are seeing is that China is catching up very fast on the ’standard technology’ products and is beginning to do some innovations of its own.”

China also leads in exports of low-tech goods such as textiles, food and beverages, and wood, pulp and paper products. It had a 55.4 percent market share in 2014, followed by India with 9.4 percent.

Cross-border production networks -- trade in parts and components and final assembly -- have strengthened regional interdependence, as seen from increasing intraregional trade shares, the ADB said. Asia’s intraregional gross exports have increased about 3.6 times from 2000 to 2011, it said.

Economic Zones
Special economic zones can be a driving force for increased trade, investment, and economic reform in Asia at a time when the region is experiencing a slowdown in trade, provided the right business environments and policies are put in place, the ADB said. In developing Asia, countries with economic zones attract significantly more foreign direct investment, corresponding to 82 percent greater FDI levels, it said.

Separately, while the impending increase in U.S. interest rates could raise capital flow volatility, it is not expected to rattle the region’s markets as it did in 2013, the report said. Still, managing potentially volatile capital outflows remains an important issue for the region -- especially given rising risk premiums and depreciating currencies, it said.
 

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Not too long ago the buzz in the western press is "China will get old before she get rich" or the myth that " China will be trapped in mid income country like South America.
Well Not so fast Now China has surpassed Japan as the exporter of High Tech but at the same time still dominant in the low Tech as well So the myth of low tech will migrate to India or Vietnam is nothing but BS. Here is an article from Bloomberg not exactly China friendly

That article was posted directly on the last page...
 

AssassinsMace

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Well what they say China should be doing is intentionally bad advice. Would the US or Europe with their systems do well if they had to take care of a billion people? I don't know where they keep bragging that India is going beat China because they have more young people. Just because in the US young people are the ones more likely to spend? That's assuming every young person in India is going to have a well paid job.

Here are some interesting articles that dispel some of the things they say.

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It seems the media is avoiding calling it what it is. It's the emerging of a domestic consumer economy. Like I said in my previous post, there seems to be an intention to brainwash Chinese into linking economic prosperity to how well they're doing with other countries. The nightmare scenario is over the horizon where China becomes more and more independent from their economies. Not only are Chinese consumers spending but foreign luxury brands are also losing their luster among Chinese consumers.

Innovation is really more about making peoples' lives easier. But people don't all live the same especially culturally. So why is it that Western companies are having a harder time cracking the Chinese consumer? If the roles were reverse, they would say that's because the Chinese aren't innovative because they don't understand what Western consumers want. Now it's the other way around. But somehow they think some crime is happening because it wouldn't be this way if Twitter, Facebook, and Google had their way in China. Yeah that would be like China imposing and demanding everyone do it the Chinese way. How would that sit with them?

Same issues here are what Hollywood is whining about China. Because of stereotypes they think the Chinese don't want to see Chinese actors in movies. They'd rather watch Hollywood actors in movies where they can only be heroes and save the world. A few years ago Hollywood movies dominated China to the point Hollywood was arrogant enough to taunt and insult the Chinese were too inferior to make a successful domestic movie. And on a turn of a dime, domestic movies started beating Hollywood movies before there were any government imposed blackout periods through the year of foreign movies and quotas. They'd rather believe the Chinese consumer was more loyal to Hollywood than their own to which they thought they could arrogantly insult Chinese in general. And their denial and arrogance just happened again. The second half of this year Hollywood movies have performed mostly poorly despite a record growing box office in China. And it happens to coincide with another round of Hollywood whining sparked by how Chinese consumers didn't save the movie Pan, one of the biggest bombs in history, after no one watched it in the rest of the world. The Chinese are suppose to save them from making bad movies no else wanted to watch.

They don't want to waste time catering or sucking up to the Chinese consumer to what is called for under capitalist market principles. But they expect that from anyone who wants to sell to them. Early when the cell phone industry was exploding in China, Beijing was thinking of using a next generation cell phone system that no one in the West was using. That alarmed Western cell phone makers because none of their phones would work on that system. So the US exercised "state capitalism" and protested to China not to use that system and follow theirs so that Western cellphone makers could sell their products in China.
 
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B.I.B.

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Beijing was thinking of using a next generation cell phone system that no one in the West was using. That alarmed Western cell phone makers because none of their phones would work on that system. So the US exercised "state capitalism" and protested to China not to use that system and follow theirs so that Western cellphone makers could sell their products in China.

While it's been ten years since I had to try and ring someone in Japan, I remember thinking what a pain in the butt it was that their cell phone service used a different system.
 

Blackstone

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Not too long ago the buzz in the western press is "China will get old before she get rich" or the myth that " China will be trapped in mid income country like South America.
Well Not so fast Now China has surpassed Japan as the exporter of High Tech but at the same time still dominant in the low Tech as well So the myth of low tech will migrate to India or Vietnam is nothing but BS. Here is an article from Bloomberg not exactly China friendly

  • China accounts for 43.7% of Asia's exports of high-tech goods
  • China also leads in exports of low-tech goods with 55.4% share...
There's good reason to doubt abilities of developing countries to escape the "middle-income trap," because most of them fail to advance to high incomes. The million dollar question is can China escape the trap and develop into a high-income country?

We don't have to wait too long for an answer, because it all depends on how successful Xi Jinping and cadre could implement his so-called "Four Comprehensives" of moderately prosperous society by 2021, national reforms, rule of law, and control corruption in the communist party.

There's lots of reform efforts in China, and it's not hard to believe China will be moderately prosperous (low end of "high-income" country is $12,735 in 2014 dollars) by 2021. As for rule of law, I have doubts.
 

Equation

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There's good reason to doubt abilities of developing countries to escape the "middle-income trap," because most of them fail to advance to high incomes. The million dollar question is can China escape the trap and develop into a high-income country?

We don't have to wait too long for an answer, because it all depends on how successful Xi Jinping and cadre could implement his so-called "Four Comprehensives" of moderately prosperous society by 2021, national reforms, rule of law, and control corruption in the communist party.

There's lots of reform efforts in China, and it's not hard to believe China will be moderately prosperous (low end of "high-income" country is $12,735 in 2014 dollars) by 2021. As for rule of law, I have doubts.

Xi Jinping and his cadres are a lot smarter and more practical than the last and current US administrations to pull it through that I can say.
 

Blackstone

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I trust that report more than the US media. Wouldn't you?
No, I don't trust government-controlled media in China more than the US lame stream media. Not for a nano-second. Whatever faults US media have, and we could document legions of them, they enjoy freedom of press protection enshrined in the First Amendment of the Constitution, and that makes all the difference.
 
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