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SanWenYu

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I too think the West is doing a mistake by walling itself in. What protectionism leads to is a well known thing. But I also think the West still needs to get denied export revenues for denying export revenues to China.

I very strongly disagree with viewpoints like that of SanWenYu. Because they presume the West needs a justification. The West doesn't. They just sanction if they can. The only reason they haven't sanctioned civilian airliners and COMAC C919 is the fear retaliation for example.
Do not put words in my mouth. Do you even understand what I said? Who said anything about justification?
 

SanWenYu

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I too think the West is doing a mistake by walling itself in. What protectionism leads to is a well known thing. But I also think the West still needs to get denied export revenues for denying export revenues to China.

I very strongly disagree with viewpoints like that of SanWenYu. Because they presume the West needs a justification. The West doesn't. They just sanction if they can. The only reason they haven't sanctioned civilian airliners and COMAC C919 is the fear retaliation for example.
De-escalation through escalation” seems what you are wishing China’s trade policies to be.
 

Eventine

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The market is far from being a useless indicator. It measures the degree to which a country’s capital is ending up in its financial industries and thus the strength of those industries. In China the money ended up in real estate, instead, so if you overlaid the graph of Chinese real estate prices in the first graph you will see a similar effect to India’s stock market graph.
 

tphuang

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The stock market is basically meaningless to actual economic development. It is a pretty good vehicle for those wealthy enough to ride it over time. So great if you already have money. A society, especially a developing one, cannot depend on it.

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Please stop posting these gigantic photos created by tweets.

when you post links, replace x.com with twitter.com so that it just shows up. This is beyond annoying.
 

GiantPanda

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The market is far from being a useless indicator. It measures the degree to which a country’s capital is ending up in its financial industries and thus the strength of those industries. In China the money ended up in real estate, instead, so if you overlaid the graph of Chinese real estate prices in the first graph you will see a similar effect to India’s stock market graph.

If the stock market return is basically flat for China from 1993 to 2024 during which the Chinese economy grew 30-fold then what does the stock market tell you about a country's economic development?

It might have uses for other things but it gives you practically nothing on the growth and development of an economy itself.
 

horse

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The market is far from being a useless indicator. It measures the degree to which a country’s capital is ending up in its financial industries and thus the strength of those industries. In China the money ended up in real estate, instead, so if you overlaid the graph of Chinese real estate prices in the first graph you will see a similar effect to India’s stock market graph.

Yeah, that is what I believe, what Prof Micheal Hudson talks about.

It is FIRE, which stands for finance, insurance, real estate.

A few years ago, after accumulating a lot of capital over the decades, the Chinese real estate market was the biggest single asset class in the entire world.
 

SanWenYu

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China has more than 6 million registered businesses in the manufacturing sectors by end of Aug 2024, according to the data released by the authorities. This is an increase of 5.53% comparing to the year end of 2023. Among the 6 million businesses, more than half a million are in the “new strategic key sectors”, increased by 6.35% since end of 2023.

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2024年1至8月,我国制造业企业数量呈现稳健增长态势。截至2024年8月31日,我国制造业企业总量达到603万家,与2023年底相比增长5.53%,其中与战略性新兴产业有关的企业达到51.53万家,占制造业企业总量的8.55%,与2023年底相比增长6.35%。

东部地区产业集中度及产业链成熟度优势明显,制造业企业总量占比最高,中部地区承东启西、沟通南北区位优势独特,制造业企业数量增幅最大。我国制造业企业的规模和质量逐步提升。国家政策促进经济结构优化升级的效果开始显现 。

I heard that venture capitals have dried up in China? SeeSeePee must be trying to cover it up with fake data.
 
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