Chinese Economics Thread

lantis

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This is why Chinese OEMs should still maintain presence and pressure in India - the aim should be to bring out inter-province rivalries at the community level.
Even if the whole operation gets shut down, it is still useful to (a) soak up market share that foreign or local companies would be taking and (b) plant the seed of us vs them in the local communities and local governments vying for jobs, development and foreign cash injections.
Once one operation is forced to wrap up, move onto the next available hotspot.
India has a law that automatically restricts investments from neighbouring countries which includes China, Bangladesh etc. It was enacted around 2020s. It is very comprehensive in nature and those that pore through that filter gets smashed in the ED + CBI + RAW. The effects which you can see today.

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The best time for Chinese industries was around Modis 1st term. When he was looking for investments anywhere. And it did.
 

tygyg1111

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China doesn't need to resort to dirty tactics like the West or India. India funds and trains terrorists to kill Chinese workers in Pakistan whereas China supplies India with affordable, reliable goods. They are not the same. India has been a mess since it was founded in 1947 and it will continue to be a mess as long as the Hindus remain in power.

The best South Asians by far decided to leave India and form their own country in 1947. Instesd of trying to destabilize India, China should continue to collaborate with Pakistan and Bangladesh instead.

Hindus love to blame the British, the Muslims, and now the Chinese for their troubles, but the truth is that there is no one to blame but themselves.
I am concerned that there is too much aversion to 'dirty' tactics, leading to a handicap when a response in kind is appropriate. They don't need to be used as a norm, but from time to time a strong demonstration is needed to show that you can't and won't get away with playing these sorts of games. Kind of like the straight A student upper cutting and dropping the school bully when they've really crossed the line.
This will put some fear in potential trouble maker countries, and reduce the likelihood of them being hired to disturb the neighbourhood.
 

broadsword

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Years ago I bought a Hurom slow juicer and it's still working great, do you guys know any Chinese brand which makes high quality slow juicers? Hurom is Korean, I am thinking about buying another slow juicer machine.
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Look for Miui slow juicers. They have several models. Higher torque ones cost more. Horizontal designs are cheaper and reliable, but the mouths are smaller, and so slower.
 

horse

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I am concerned that there is too much aversion to 'dirty' tactics, leading to a handicap when a response in kind is appropriate. They don't need to be used as a norm, but from time to time a strong demonstration is needed to show that you can't and won't get away with playing these sorts of games. Kind of like the straight A student upper cutting and dropping the school bully when they've really crossed the line.
This will put some fear in potential trouble maker countries, and reduce the likelihood of them being hired to disturb the neighbourhood.


Kind of agree with what you are saying, but we should look at it from another angle too.

A real world example of the execution of Chinese strategy, I realized, just happened this past week.

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That new guy for as Taiwan leader the PRC does not like. After he takes office, three things happened.

1. Taiwan was blockaded for 2 days, surrounded. That is a military problem.

2. Taiwan had mainland China slap some economic sanctions on it. That is a economic problem.

3. The KMT passed legislation for more oversight on the government, and the DPP reacted poorly to this initiative. That is a political problem.

So, in the very first week of assuming the leadership position, Lai has a military problem, an economic problem, and a political problem.

If Lai is the opponent, and he does seem like a weak leader, well, these developments make the opponent even weaker.

How does giving your opponent a military problem, an economic problem, and Chinese nationalist providing the political problem, make the weak leader stronger? It does not. It makes Lai weaker.

That is pretty good strategy I feel. No cheap antics was needed. Cheap antics could be included, but if someone in the room says, "Why bother with that," there is really no good retort or justification for a cheap antic in this case to be directed at Lai.

So a lot of times, it appears that the Chinese are doing nothing.

But looking at the totality of the situation, and the subtleties of these moves, then it seems a little different.

Put ourselves in Lai's shoes. If we have a military problem, an economic problem, and a political problem, what exactly are we going to do?

Suppose Lai wants to push independence, but ignores the military problem, the economy problem, the political problem, then he probably will seem like a one issue politicians, just bent on one issue, Taiwan Independence, which is not completely supported by the Taiwan population.

Seem like the PRC and friends giving Lai these three problems all at once in the first week of his term, will limit his actions towards independence because seem likes others have set the agenda for him.

As we can see, how does the cheap shot fits into this strategy being executed right before us? Right, the cheap shot does not really fit in, so that is probably why the PRC rarely uses that.
 

Michael90

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I advocate for Lenovo's active dismemberment which helps Chinese economy. Huawei aside, Xiaomi makes better laptops. Huawei is in a different league.
Why do you guys hate Lenovo so much. Its still a Chinese company headquartered in China with a global presence and a good brand name/presence/brand globally( something very very small number of Chinese companies can boast of). So I don't get why you guys are so against them.
 

TK3600

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Why do you guys hate Lenovo so much. Its still a Chinese company headquartered in China with a global presence and a good brand name/presence/brand globally( something very very small number of Chinese companies can boast of). So I don't get why you guys are so against them.
It takes space from better Chinese company and backstabbed Huawei in the past. Thats national interest.

Also products are pretty trash relative to other Chinese brands. It hardly innovates. Personal opinion. Holds Chinese industry back.
 

Michael90

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It takes space from better Chinese company and backstabbed Huawei in the past. Thats national interest.

Also products are pretty trash relative to other Chinese brands. It hardly innovates. Personal opinion. Holds Chinese industry back.
Then how come those "better innovative" Chinese companies have not made it outside China? Lool nobody knows or even heard about them apart from some Chinese in China. Lol How are they better than Lenovo then?
If they are better they should be able to outsell and outcompete lenovo in China itself yet ecen in China Lenovo is number 1 in their segment/industry much less the world. To be honest, most Chinese companies find it hard to be a global company or a multinational one (even those who are successful in China), seems they often lack that global appetite and appeal compared to American companies who constantly dominate in the US and the world. In fact most American companies startup with the global market in mind, Few Chinese companies have that mindset , most are limited in their thinking and mindset only in China/locally(not blaming them though just making an observation). Explains why very few breakout and are successful. Even tencent who is huge in China has barely any brand presence outside China. Lol
So still have to give it to Lenovo for being only a couple of Chinese companies who have made it not just locally but globally as well. The others are sleeping or something. Lol
 

tygyg1111

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Then how come those "better innovative" Chinese companies have not made it outside China? Lool nobody knows or even heard about them apart from some Chinese in China. Lol How are they better than Lenovo then?
If they are better they should be able to outsell and outcompete lenovo in China itself yet ecen in China Lenovo is number 1 in their segment/industry much less the world. To be honest, most Chinese companies find it hard to be a global company or a multinational one (even those who are successful in China), seems they often lack that global appetite and appeal compared to American companies who constantly dominate in the US and the world. In fact most American companies startup with the global market in mind, Few Chinese companies have that mindset , most are limited in their thinking and mindset only in China/locally(not blaming them though just making an observation). Explains why very few breakout and are successful. Even tencent who is huge in China has barely any brand presence outside China. Lol
So still have to give it to Lenovo for being only a couple of Chinese companies who have made it not just locally but globally as well. The others are sleeping or something. Lol
Examples include BYD, various solar panel manufacturers, Huawei, ZTE.
You're forgetting the trade sanctions and barriers for any Chinese industry / company and getting labelled with "dumping", "overcapacity", "unfairly state subsidised" when they become competitive overseas, due to US and EU industries being unable to compete.
 

Michael90

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Examples include BYD, various solar panel manufacturers, Huawei, ZTE.
You're forgetting the trade sanctions and barriers for any Chinese industry / company and getting labelled with "dumping", "overcapacity", "unfairly state subsidised" when they become competitive overseas, due to US and EU industries being unable to compete.
I didn't forget Huawei or ZTE. I said FEW Chinese companies have been able to go truly global and be like a multinational company with a strong brand value/presence globally. I didn't say none. Lenovo is among those few who have been able to do so. Of course Huawei as well, DJI ,Bytedance, Alibaba (though in decline nowadays), Shein (though they moved their headquarters to Singapore fearing US political power) etc. They a few but not as many as they should be. Just saying that lenovo is part of those few. So they shouldn't be despised like many are doing here.
 
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