Chinese Economics Thread

PiSigma

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India has the courtesy culture where they will lie to you if they believe you'd rather hear the lie than the truth. At the other end of that is an American. The West resorts to reading tea leaves to understand something because the plain truth doesn't fit their narrative. For example they will use car sales as an indicator of how well their economy is doing by the logic that buying cars are generally not something that is necessary so therefore if people are buying cars, it's because consumers find it safe to buy big ticket items because they have confidence in the economy while if they didn't, they would be saving and not spending. Yet for China where China is still the largest car market in the world over the US and domestic cars are killing foreign, that logic doesn't apply because only a tea leaf reader can interpret what it means where no one else can by simple logic. Look at Biden claiming the US economy is doing great because inflation in the US has gone down being an indicator while public sentiment says otherwise because prices at the grocery store haven't gone down. Either that's a lie or inflation has only gone down for industry and they're not passing it down to consumers. They look for confidence in the economy by the general public not in industry because ultimately its the consumer that has to spend the money for private industry to make a profit. So all it takes for the American economy to do well is making Americans believe, even if it's a lie, the economy is doing well so they go out and spend their money.

Then on the flip side all they have to do is make everyone think the Chinese economy is doing bad to declare China is doing bad. They say because they're decoupling from China despite how the trade deficit continues to grow in China's favor, the Chinese economy is collapsing. China is a 1.4 billion people market and yet how they measure how China is doing by how much they're not buying from China. The domestic economy is irrelevant to them but the US goal being just about everything only America is what's going to make the US strong. How do they claim China is collapsing because there's no more young people to work as proclaimed by Peter Zeihan yet they say 20% of young people in China are unemployed...?
This is because the west have a history of "biblical archeology". This means there is a fictional book about something but in order to prove the fiction correct, they will look for evidence in right life to try to prove the fiction as nonfiction. Their entire approach to the economy is turning to be the same way. Establish a narrative first, then create evidence to fit that narrative or cherrypick data.
 

sunnymaxi

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Simply because Korean TV producers are positioned for high-end products in the West, but the West is economically collapsing.

Meanwhile, the Chinese produce mainly low to medium-end products and are stable and rising in exports to the Global South countries.
this is another cope from western analysts. ''Chinese TV firms produce mainly low to Mid end products''

BOE/TCL and Hisense rapidly taking market share in high end sector too. by 2025, China will become the world largest producer of OLED technology.

TCL Huaxing promotes the upgrading of the display industry: the world's first printed OLED, MLCD, LTPO products, the first semiconductor display AI large model​


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in industrial Robots, Japanese/Swiss/German firms were dominating players. but in 2023 this thing changed too. Chinese domestic firms took 42 percent market share in mainland. ESTUN Automation completed domestic supply chain for industrial robots.

High end machine tools, industrial software, materials and semiconductor equipment. Chinese firms rapidly gaining market share.

the Game just begun...
 

henrik

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this is another cope from western analysts. ''Chinese TV firms produce mainly low to Mid end products''

BOE/TCL and Hisense rapidly taking market share in high end sector too. by 2025, China will become the world largest producer of OLED technology.

TCL Huaxing promotes the upgrading of the display industry: the world's first printed OLED, MLCD, LTPO products, the first semiconductor display AI large model​


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in industrial Robots, Japanese/Swiss/German firms were dominating players. but in 2023 this thing changed too. Chinese domestic firms took 42 percent market share in mainland. ESTUN Automation completed domestic supply chain for industrial robots.

High end machine tools, industrial software, materials and semiconductor equipment. Chinese firms rapidly gaining market share.

the Game just begun...

Korea companies are now being displaced from this industry.
 

gelgoog

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Because the French have virtually lost their Chima car market; they can resort to keeping Chinese made cars out by applying U/S levels of tariffs ,
The thing is tariffs are applied EU wide because of the common market. So they would have to convince the Germans to apply tariffs as well. Except the German auto makers depend on the Chinese market. So good luck with that.
 

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Even the intelligent manufacturing factories themselves are directly provided by local governing bodies to its innovative enterprises, in addition to capital for high-tech industries which comes directly from state-owned Chinese banks which have the highest savings ratios from its citizens in the entire world.

Meanwhile, the national government creates all kinds of collaborative opportunities between state universities and the private sector, having the highest R&D contribution coming from its universities than anywhere else in the world.

In addition to all the other types of innovative infrastructure, fiscal benefits, funding mechanisms, etc, for the same mentioned industries.

That's why other countries simply don't stand a chance against China in innovation/sci-tech. This is world-leading unity, coordination, speed, efficiency, effectiveness, and performance.

This is the most superior political governing structure in the entire history. Chinese higher officials themselves have Elon Musk-level IQs and are like technological entrepreneurs themselves, understanding technology and business on a very high level.

It was always like this, but in recent years they put this high-tech expansion on the turbo. Probably either due to potentially seeing a good opportunity to take market share from the Western manufacturers globally now that those countries are having big trouble economically, and keep it permanently, or preparing for more kinds of technological sanctions or other kinds of attacks from the West, possibly even violent.
 
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Even the intelligent manufacturing factories themselves are directly provided by local governing bodies to its innovative enterprises, in addition to capital for high-tech industries which comes directly from state-owned Chinese banks which have the highest savings ratios from its citizens in the entire world.

Meanwhile, the national government creates all kinds of collaborative opportunities between state universities and the private sector, having the highest R&D contribution coming from its universities than anywhere else in the world.

In addition to all the other types of innovative infrastructure, fiscal benefits, funding mechanisms, etc, for the same mentioned industries.

That's why other countries simply don't stand a chance against China in innovation/sci-tech. This is world-leading unity, coordination, speed, efficiency, effectiveness, and performance.

This is the most superior political governing structure in the entire history. Chinese higher officials themselves have Elon Musk-level IQs and are like technological entrepreneurs themselves, understanding technology and business on a very high level.

It was always like this, but in recent years they put this high-tech expansion on the turbo. Probably either due to potentially seeing a good opportunity to take market share from the Western manufacturers globally now that those countries are having big trouble economically, and keep it permanently, or preparing for more kinds of technological sanctions or other kinds of attacks from the West, possibly even violent.

Are you sure Elon Musk has a higher IQ than Bill Gates?
 

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Even the intelligent manufacturing factories themselves are directly provided by local governing bodies to its innovative enterprises, in addition to capital for high-tech industries which comes directly from state-owned Chinese banks which have the highest savings ratios from its citizens in the entire world.

Meanwhile, the national government creates all kinds of collaborative opportunities between state universities and the private sector, having the highest R&D contribution coming from its universities than anywhere else in the world.

In addition to all the other types of innovative infrastructure, fiscal benefits, funding mechanisms, etc, for the same mentioned industries.

That's why other countries simply don't stand a chance against China in innovation/sci-tech. This is world-leading unity, coordination, speed, efficiency, effectiveness, and performance.

This is the most superior political governing structure in the entire history. Chinese higher officials themselves have Elon Musk-level IQs and are like technological entrepreneurs themselves, understanding technology and business on a very high level.

It was always like this, but in recent years they put this high-tech expansion on the turbo. Probably either due to potentially seeing a good opportunity to take market share from the Western manufacturers globally now that those countries are having big trouble economically, and keep it permanently, or preparing for more kinds of technological sanctions or other kinds of attacks from the West, possibly even violent.
Bro YT video for your perusal, Eric Li is majestic here and special mention to Brian Wong, I was surprise to see a native born HK who grew up and educated in the West was so passionate about China. He is a new generation of intellectual that is willing to confront the west regarding their misconceived view about China, hope their tribe increase.

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In this lecture, a delegation from the Harvard Kennedy School (HKS) joined Eric Li from Chengwei Capital, as well as Dr Brian ...
 

sunnymaxi

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Again 5+ percent growth this year ..

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China’s economy is likely to expand by around 5.3 percent in 2024 as employment improves, people become more willing to spend and thanks to a proactive fiscal policy, CCTV News reported, citing a report issued by the Chinese Academy of Sciences’ Center for Forecasting Science.

China’s GDP growth for the first quarter will be about 5 percent, the CAS report said, which was released yesterday. This should then expand to around 5.3 percent, 5.5 percent and 5.4 percent growth for the remaining three quarters, respectively.

The country will experience restorative growth from the real economy to the services sector, said Hong Yongmiao, director of CAS’ Center for Forecasting Science. The services sector should see the fastest expansion. While the manufacturing sector as well as green and emerging sectors such as new materials and new energies will also experience rapid growth.

growth will mostly come from High tech sector+consumption+service sector ..
 
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