Chinese Economics Thread

BlackWindMnt

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Tesla now makes the majority of its cars officially in China, and the suppliers for cars there are 95% also from China, the most locally dependent in the whole world.

And on top of that, those cars made in China are rated the best in the whole world in terms of quality. This destroys another myth of supposedly bad "quality" of Chinese products that illiterate Westoids spew,

But it also shows another interesting thing. Why do all of those "Western" brands all have to produce and source in China if they are "Western"? That's because due to deindustrialization in the West and superiority of the Chinese manufacturing, they can't do without it.

Tesla is even good, I think the majority of those brands that the cocky Westerners are proud of all even more dependent on China.

Half of those Western brands they are proud of in the West, are at least 50% Chinese if we look at where they are produced, where the facilities are, employees, assets, etc.

And they have to pay taxes in China, remember, because it's a serious country, unlike pirate-originated historically countries like the US where the corporations nearly completely, and nearly all, avoid paying corporate taxes.

So, if those Western brands have more production in China, pay more taxes in China, and pay more employee contributions in China, China benefits many times more from them, how exactly are they "Western" then?

Just because of their Western name or origins decades ago? That doesn't make any sense. At best, those brands are international, and at worst for the cocky bragging Westoids, they are simply Chinese companies. At least more Chinese that they are their own going by the simple logic.


Thinking about it how China went from making cheap cloths, plastic toys etc to now also manufacturing western high end vehicles, consumer tech etc. Give it 2 more decades and it you get a new western labels like "designed in x" instead of "made in x" i think apple already does this.
 

Serb

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Thinking about it how China went from making cheap cloths, plastic toys etc to now also manufacturing western high end vehicles, consumer tech etc. Give it 2 more decades and it you get a new western labels like "designed in x" instead of "made in x" i think apple already does this.

Design is always easier than engineering, so it won't be a problem for China to conquer.

Look at current architectural ideas realized in China, they are already like in the year 2124.

So they can't bullshit that China can't design and be creative in general if it focuses on that.

Look at new fashion brands coming from China also rising all around the world right now.
 

Randomuser

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Tesla now makes the majority of its cars officially in China, and the suppliers for cars there are 95% also from China, the most locally dependent in the whole world.

And on top of that, those cars made in China are rated the best in the whole world in terms of quality. This destroys another myth of supposedly bad "quality" of Chinese products that illiterate Westoids spew,

But it also shows another interesting thing. Why do all of those "Western" brands all have to produce and source in China if they are "Western"? That's because due to deindustrialization in the West and superiority of the Chinese manufacturing, they can't do without it.

Tesla is even good, I think the majority of those brands that the cocky Westerners are proud of all even more dependent on China.

Half of those Western brands they are proud of in the West, are at least 50% Chinese if we look at where they are produced, where the facilities are, employees, assets, etc.

And they have to pay taxes in China, remember, because it's a serious country, unlike pirate-originated historically countries like the US where the corporations nearly completely, and nearly all, avoid paying corporate taxes.

So, if those Western brands have more production in China, pay more taxes in China, and pay more employee contributions in China, China benefits many times more from them, how exactly are they "Western" then?

Just because of their Western name or origins decades ago? That doesn't make any sense. At best, those brands are international, and at worst for the cocky bragging Westoids, they are simply Chinese companies. At least more Chinese that they are their own going by the simple logic.


People cannot accept the fact China learns and moves really fast. All those China "experts" don't want to admit their knowledge from even say 10 years ago is already outdated. They probably think only Shanghai is the only modern city when we already have Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Hangzhou as a bare minimum.

The idea that China is moving faster than they can imagine and even have stuff they don't have is unacceptable in their minds.
 

henrik

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People cannot accept the fact China learns and moves really fast. All those China "experts" don't want to admit their knowledge from even say 10 years ago is already outdated. They probably think only Shanghai is the only modern city when we already have Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Hangzhou as a bare minimum.

The idea that China is moving faster than they can imagine and even have stuff they don't have is unacceptable in their minds.

The world needs to buy more from CATL, BYD and Huawei.
 
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Staedler

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Will the yuan strength against the dollar in 2024??

Depends on if the Fed cuts rates. RMB has mostly kept pace with the other major currencies vis-a-vis their USD exchange rates.

Predicting when the Fed will cut rates is a fool's errand but I suppose they'll do so sometime in Q2-Q3. So RMB would start to rise against the dollar sometime shortly after.
 

horse

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Is this decoupling strategy trotted out by those clueless Western politicians, is that serious strategy, or just a cry for help?

I really do not know.

Seems to me some of those Western politicians and their lapdog media voices, are scared witless.

Case in point, in order to decouple from China, someone must build a factory somewhere to increase capacity.

In Germany, they closing factories, which will have a ripple affect cross the entire continent.

Also, it takes time to build a new factory. That TELSA was able to bring a factory online in less two years is not the norm for most of the world.

Then we read articles like the one posted, that the biggest and best and leading companies of the West want more of the China market, and do not want to leave. The best companies of the West want nothing to do with decoupling if they can help it.

So ...

What is the point for decoupling?

It is not a business issue, but a political one I would believe.

Then, that begs the question, what is the political gain for decoupling?

At this point, no one really knows. Why are you trying to decouple?

I think they are really confused.

Decoupling is like a economic/business issue, and most definitely not a political issue.

For example, if a factory in German closes, then by definition, they decoupled from China because they no longer are in operation. That should be a win right, because they were able to stick it to China, when that factory closed won't give the Chinese any more orders.

:rolleyes:


That is why I believe those Western politicians singing the praises of decoupling from China, are just fools.

At the most fundamental level, they do not understand the world that they built.

In the globalized world, goods and capital move about to anywhere it wants to go.

If they past one law to block something, there could be 1, 2, 3, 5, 10 ways around it.

They cannot be this ignorant of the world they built, can they?

Apparently they are.

:cool:
 
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