Chinese Economics Thread

[tamsen_ikard]

I had the same opinion pre this year brics meeting but it seems China and Russia have India under control.

I'm more worried about Lula and Brasil. Argentinia as a candidate was a big L for brics in the PR department and accidental big W not having to deal with Argentinia.

Why? Argentina is a big asset for China and BRICS. Out of Latin America, Argentina is the only country that will be a forever enemy of the west and US because of the Falklands issue. Argentina is always kept weak and not given military tech by the west due to falklands. This creates resentment in Argentina and is a perfect foil for China to give its own support and also fuel Argentina's nationalism for Falklands.

Just because Argentina elected a far-right candidate does not change its long term trajectory as potential Chinese ally against US and UK due to falklands issue. Argentina is also quite far from US and safer from US military domination, which means there is a chance China could get bases in Argentina in the future.

Mexico is another long term asset which will always feel resentment due to US taking Mexican land in the past. The more powerful they get, richer they get, the more they will want to take those lands back and also have revenge. They will also feel threatened due to US power. That again gives China the opportunity to gain foothold. Do to US what its doing by using Japan, Vietnam and other Chinese neighbors.

Argentina and Mexico are long term assets of China in Latin America to keep US busy and also gain foothold in Latin America.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Why? Argentina is a big asset for China and BRICS. Out of Latin America, Argentina is the only country that will be a forever enemy of the west and US because of the Falklands issue. Argentina is always kept weak and not given military tech by the west due to falklands. This creates resentment in Argentina and is a perfect foil for China to give its own support and also fuel Argentina's nationalism for Falklands.

Just because Argentina elected a far-right candidate does not change its long term trajectory as potential Chinese ally against US and UK due to falklands issue. Argentina is also quite far from US and safer from US military domination, which means there is a chance China could get bases in Argentina in the future.

Mexico is another long term asset which will always feel resentment due to US taking Mexican land in the past. The more powerful they get, richer they get, the more they will want to take those lands back and also have revenge. They will also feel threatened due to US power. That again gives China the opportunity to gain foothold. Do to US what its doing by using Japan, Vietnam and other Chinese neighbors.

Argentina and Mexico are long term assets of China in Latin America to keep US busy and also gain foothold in Latin America.

Long term trajectory of what you say is correct but he's not talking about long term. Right now is the wrong time to admit Argentina because they are just insane. At first it seemed they were going to be hyper-pro-US with Milei, but now, it just seems they are insane. The latter is better than the former but still, having crazy people work in your company especially at such a crucial time for growth is, for lack of a better word, bad. So, in the future, when Argentina straightens out and realizes that the only way it will ever get the Falklands back is working hard in a new world order where the West is suppressed by China and our allies, it will be definitely welcome in BRICS. But right now while it's still out of its mind, it is a blessing that it stays away from BRICS during our crucial development and member growth period.

Mexico has got a BIG f'king bone to pick with the US; I am talking blue whale rib-sized bone. If this doesn't end peacefully, if this ends with a Chinese victory through war, America's Western coast should be restored to Mexico and Mexico will forever be a Chinese iron-clad ally with its boot on America's neck.

 

[donjasjit]

Long term trajectory of what you say is correct but he's not talking about long term. Right now is the wrong time to admit Argentina because they are just insane. At first it seemed they were going to be hyper-pro-US with Milei, but now, it just seems they are insane. The latter is better than the former but still, having crazy people work in your company especially at such a crucial time for growth is, for lack of a better word, bad. So, in the future, when Argentina straightens out and realizes that the only way it will ever get the Falklands back is working hard in a new world order where the West is suppressed by China and our allies, it will be definitely welcome in BRICS. But right now while it's still out of its mind, it is a blessing that it stays away from BRICS during our crucial development and member growth period.

Mexico has got a BIG f'king bone to pick with the US; I am talking blue whale rib-sized bone. If this doesn't end peacefully, if this ends with a Chinese victory through war, America's Western coast should be restored to Mexico and Mexico will forever be a Chinese iron-clad ally with its boot on America's neck.

Are we living in a fairy land? Mexico against America, Argentina siding with China. These assumptions are so ridiculous that any person with some knowledge of these countries will laugh them out.

Mexico has deep economic and cultural ties with America. Every time America imposes new sanctions on China, Mexico benefits since new factories get built there in the US policy of friend-shoring. Yes, Mexico has some tensions with America as any small country adjacent to a big country will have, but the benefits of being America's neighbor are so great that nothing is going to make Mexico take a stand against America.

Argentina has the most negative opinions of China in all of Latin America. In fact, Argentina in many aspects is a European country in Latin America. It has more "white" inhabitants as a percentage of population than any other big country in that area. The people there think like Europeans, they have European values and their positions on most Geo-political events like Russo-Ukrainian war and the Israeli-Hamas war are more similar to the West than the global south.

Yes many Argentinians still harbor some resentment against Britain because of Falklands issue but there is no way they will damage their relations with the West over it.

The rise of Milleu is not an isolated event. His thinking on China reflects the thinking of most Argentinians.

 

[Serb]

Are we living in a fairy land? Mexico against America, Argentina siding with China. These assumptions are so ridiculous that any person with some knowledge of these countries will laugh them out.

Mexico has deep economic and cultural ties with America. Every time America imposes new sanctions on China, Mexico benefits since new factories get built there in the US policy of friend-shoring. Yes, Mexico has some tensions with America as any small country adjacent to a big country will have, but the benefits of being America's neighbor are so great that nothing is going to make Mexico take a stand against America.

Argentina has the most negative opinions of China in all of Latin America. In fact, Argentina in many aspects is a European country in Latin America. It has more "white" inhabitants as a percentage of population than any other big country in that area. The people there think like Europeans, they have European values and their positions on most Geo-political events like Russo-Ukrainian war and the Israeli-Hamas war are more similar to the West than the global south.

Yes many Argentinians still harbor some resentment against Britain because of Falklands issue but there is no way they will damage their relations with the West over it.

The rise of Milleu is not an isolated event. His thinking on China reflects the thinking of most Argentinians.

Mexico has deep historical ties with the US, but I would not say they are very positive. After all, the US took half of its entire territory violently.

The mass migrants that go there are just like Muslims that go into the EU, they go there for the money but have hatred in their hearts for them.

They are looking at it more so in terms of them reclaiming their own lost territories, than them being grateful for the US welcoming them in.

Yes, their biggest trading partner is the US. But South Korea's and Japan's biggest trading partner is China, but that doesn't stop their political positions.

You mention friend-shoring to Mexico, but, for there to be any friend-shoring to Mexico, first there need to be industrial parts from China.

You can see statistically that rising trade between the US and Mexico (exports) recently followed rising trade from China to Mexico (imports) in correlation.

Mexico currently has the most big-time leftist president and the biggest anti-US, anti-imperialistic president I have seen in a long time.

Go over these articles coming since a few years back if you don't believe me:

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Regarding Argentina, I'm not so well-versed in their history, but Milei won with just a 5% margin, which is not a very big advantage.

The next president in Argentina will probably be another leftist, after this one fails to deliver anything, they have a very cyclical political history.

This president will come and go, but their spats with the West in terms of the Falkland Islands will remain, China will remain their second biggest trading partner after Brazil.

The military-run space station of China will remain in Argentina, and even the swap lines Milei begged to continue, but China rejected it for now.

Argentina also didn't impose any sanctions on Russia after the war like all of the Collective West countries did, showing they are more so Global South-oriented than the West.

 

[donjasjit]

Mexico has deep historical ties with the US, but I would not say they are very positive. After all, the US took half of its entire territory violently.

The mass migrants that go there are just like Muslims that go into the EU, they go there for the money but have hatred in their hearts for them.

They are looking at it more so in terms of them reclaiming their own lost territories, than them being grateful for the US welcoming them in.

Yes, their biggest trading partner is the US. But South Korea's and Japan's biggest trading partner is China, but that doesn't stop their political positions.

You mention friend-shoring to Mexico, but, for there to be any friend-shoring to Mexico, first there need to be industrial parts from China.

You can see statistically that rising trade between the US and Mexico (exports) recently followed rising trade from China to Mexico (imports) in correlation.

Mexico currently has the most big-time leftist president and the biggest anti-US, anti-imperialistic president I have seen in a long time.

Go over these articles coming since a few years back if you don't believe me:

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Regarding Argentina, I'm not so well-versed in their history, but Milei won with just a 5% margin, which is not a very big advantage.

The next president in Argentina will probably be another leftist, after this one fails to deliver anything, they have a very cyclical political history.

This president will come and go, but their spats with the West in terms of the Falkland Islands will remain, China will remain their second biggest trading partner after Brazil.

The military-run space station of China will remain in Argentina, and even the swap lines Milei begged to continue, but China rejected it for now.

Argentina also didn't impose any sanctions on Russia after the war like all of the Collective West countries did, showing they are more so Global South-oriented than the West.

I like your well written articles with great evidence, however you are being naive here.

The spat of Argentina is not with the West, it is with a singly country Britain. Argentina's ties with Spain, Italy etc are warm. Most of Argentina's people have ancestors from these countries. The best outcome for China is an Argentina that remains neutral and open for trade.

Mexico will never commit suicide by standing against America. It will destroy their economy, besides Mexico has deep cultural, linguistic and political ties with a large part of America's south.

No politician in Mexico, however left leaning will harm ties with America.

 

[Serb]

Mexico will never commit suicide by standing against America. It will destroy their economy

Yeah, just like Japan, South Korea, Philippines didn't go against China because they would commit suicide against their economies (biggest trading partners). That's not how politics go, it's not perfectly rational.

besides Mexico has deep cultural, linguistic and political ties with a large part of America's south.

That's not a part of "America's South", that is precisely a territory that was directly stolen from Mexico in the 19th century.

Btw, the relationship between Mexicans and other Hispanics with euro-whites is not very good in the US, mildly put.

Mexico is only fearing the US hard power, or else you would have even more negative actions toward the US.

And btw sending tens of thousands of pounds of fentanyl (only seized) by cartels from Mexico is not "standing against America"?

Fentanyl seizures inside the US by US agencies this year more than doubled from 2022, and 860% increased from 2019.

Do you think Mexico's government wouldn't help the US to solve this problem if they had such good relations like you said?

You should've read some titles from that on the AMLO archive I linked -

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Based on some information from there, it seems that Mexico puts more weight on the small Cuba, than the US, not to mention China hypothetically. The President of one country is the legally chosen representative of the foreign policy of that country in most of the world.

 

[donjasjit]

I was wrong about Argentina.

I looked for evidence for my opinion, instead I found evidence that demolished the views I held.

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China has a fighting chance with Argentina, it seems.

 

[horse]

I was wrong about Argentina.

I looked for evidence for my opinion, instead I found evidence that demolished the views I held.

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China has a fighting chance with Argentina, it seems.

Question for you.

Why did you or do you think Argentina was a Western country and pro-West?

Argentina is famously the place that after World War 2, that anyone in Europe who wanted to run and hide, Argentina was the place to go. Argentina could not give a hoot about that, because they were not part of the West. They did not care at all.

That was true back then, and true today.

Especially more true today considering how Wall Street bankers exploited Argentina's financial difficulties to enrich themselves, at the expense of we know who, the country of Argentina and the people of Argentina.

This continues to this day. Do we seriously think Argentina has ever forgotten this financial abuse handed out by the Americans onto them, over a periods of two decades, and they are suppose to be proud of being part of the West?

That they elect El Loco, makes no difference.

Maybe El Loco will finally do something to break this cycle of Western exploitation.

LOL.

 

[donjasjit]

Question for you.

Why did you or do you think Argentina was a Western country and pro-West?

Argentina is famously the place that after World War 2, that anyone in Europe who wanted to run and hide, Argentina was the place to go.

It is because of Argentina's history and deep links with Europe.

Shared ancestry can build very strong links. Just look at USA and Europe.

Most of Latin America has mixed ancestry, Europeans intermixed with native Indians. However, among the big countries Argentina is an exception, it has almost pure European ancestry. That is why it's links with Europe are strong. The Argentinians don't view Europe as brutal colonizers as the rest of the continent does.

It seems, however that the Argentinians are also pragmatic. China can do a lot of good for them, and so they see the relationship positively.

 

[horse]

It is because of Argentina's history and deep links with Europe.

Shared ancestry can build very strong links. Just look at USA and Europe.

Most of Latin America has mixed ancestry, Europeans intermixed with native Indians. However, among the big countries Argentina is an exception, it has almost pure European ancestry. That is why it's links with Europe are strong. The Argentinians don't view Europe as brutal colonizers as the rest of the continent does.

It seems, however that the Argentinians are also pragmatic. China can do a lot of good for them, and so they see the relationship positively.

Since this is a Chinese economics threads, we are going really off topic.

One last post from me about this Argentina relations with the West in Europe. If the French had supplied the Argentinians with more Exocet missiles, they would have sunk more of the British fleet during the Falklands War. The French, sticking to Western unity, did not provide anymore more Exocet anti-ship missiles than they already had.