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Minm

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Non-immigrant visas include everything from students to H1B tech workers. Tourism is just one small part of it.

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(I personally think that the US has an absurd amount of visas and the name of the categories are dumb too. Many people who enter on "non-immigrant visas" do so on the intent to emigrate permanently to the US.)
Fair enough. But I'd assume that the vast majority of these visas are for tourism/students who return to China, not tech workers who are emigrating
 

Petrolicious88

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It is critical for China to continue retain that *market access* of its successful exports for this strategy to continue. Thus far Europe has played ball - it is up in the air whether it will continue to do so going forward, at least to the degree it has in the past.

As we are seeing in various industries (to varying degrees), the US has started limiting such market access either via tariffs or non-tariff trade barriers (FDA dragging their feet with Chinese drug approvals for example, or what they insinuate against Huawei). This is precisely why Chinese companies are setting up factories in Mexico (I've met them and this is what they say) - to retain market access.

Sit back and think about the implication - it means some of the jobs of these Chinese companies will not be Chinese workers but Mexican (and in some cases, Vietnamese/Indonesian) - while Chinese GNP will be higher, its GDP will be somewhat impacted going forward.

By the way, it is quite abundantly clear that if the US/Europe does not give Chinese companies market access, they themselves will be shooting themselves in the foot (higher inflation, lower quality product at any given price) - but never underestimate the political expedience of economic sabotage.

Remember that during the Smoot-Hawley tariffs, hundreds of economists co-signed an open memo suggesting that the tariffs were bad - this was an era where economists couldn't agree between Keysian/Classical schools of thought - yet they agreed on that. But guess what - those tariffs were enacted anyways.

We should be under no illusion in understanding that the next decade will be tougher than the last - for anyone anywhere in the world.
It’s almost guaranteed China will lose access in certain key industries (AI, biotech, semiconductor, etc..) due to US restrictions. It doesn’t even matter if Chinese product are better and/or cheaper. Politics trumps economics.
 

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Forced overtime work and forced consumption...


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China’s growth revised higher​

Fitch Ratings improved its outlook due to a faster-than-expected recovery in economic activity​


The Chinese economy will perform better than expected and is projected to grow 5% this year, Fitch Ratings reported in a revised forecast published on Wednesday.

The growth prediction for the world’s second-largest economy was raised from December’s expectations of 4.1% due to “evidence that consumption and activity are recovering faster than initially anticipated” as Beijing lifted its stringent Covid-19 restrictions.

This comes after a weaker-than-expected performance last year, when the country’s GDP grew by 3%, hampered by severe lockdowns. The ratings agency expects economic activity to be strong in the first half of the year, driven by a “swift rebound” from the pandemic.

“We believe stabilizing the recovery will remain the key focus in the near term, but do not anticipate aggressive macro-policy easing,” the economists wrote in a release.

China’s latest Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI), a measure of business activity for manufacturing and services, also soared, indicating growth.

The country’s manufacturing PMI rose to 50.1 in January from a previous reading of 47, while its services PMI climbed to 54.4, the highest level since June 2022. A value above 50 indicates an expansion of economic activity, while a reading below points to a contraction.

UBS expects China’s consumption to improve moderately, predicting that spending will be rather “cautious” due to strains in consumer confidence.

“With employment and household income still in need of recovery, consumer confidence may not recover completely but instead remain cautious,” the chief China economist for the investment bank, Wang Tao, said in a note.

Excess savings of China’s households are estimated to be worth 4 trillion to 4.6 trillion yuan ($590 billion to $678 billion), but according to UBS, these savings may not be spent this year.

“Further normalization of consumer behavior and more release of excess savings could help underpin future consumption recovery in 2024 and beyond,” Wang added.

UBS expects China’s household consumption growth to surge 10-11% in nominal terms and 7.8% in real terms in 2023.
 

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More on the positive impact of EU's Russian oil/diesel ban on the Chinese economy.
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That is to say, if a third country first imports Russian oil, then processes and refines it into fuel oil such as diesel, and then sells it to the EU, it will not be subject to the ban. In addition, oil from a third country is mixed with Russian oil, and the EU no longer regards this oil as a Russian product, so the natural price limit order is useless.
From the look of this, China needs to really ramp up on its Russian oil import and take advantage of this arbitrage. Don't just leave it to the Indians, Arabs and Malaysian.
the most terrible thing about the EU's move is that it may shake the foundation of the petrodollar. Because the reason why the United States has the hegemony to harvest capital all over the world and wantonly shear sheep to other countries, in addition to its strong political and military strength, is mainly supported by petrodollars, which are used by all countries for oil transactions. After Russia was sanctioned, it implemented a "ruble settlement order" against unfriendly countries such as the West, and began to promote local currency settlement for friendly countries that continue to import Russian oil, which is a blow to petrodollars.
As I said before, importing more Russian and other sanctioned countries crude and then re-exporting refined oil products not only helps with margin, but also helps them with great RMB internationalization.

Even more than this, I think just having Chinese crude carriers, insurance companies and such be involved in this network will benefit China at the expense of Europeans (who have to pay higher prices) and Russians (who can't charge as high price on diesel).
 

horse

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It’s almost guaranteed China will lose access in certain key industries (AI, biotech, semiconductor, etc..) due to US restrictions. It doesn’t even matter if Chinese product are better and/or cheaper. Politics trumps economics.

Comrade, the post by Mr. Huang directly above this one, shows who wins.

What wins is economics.

What loses is poor policy by the politician.

What those politicians decided for the EU pertaining to energy policy, is a not a triumph.
 

supercat

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How is that record? $1.39 billion is nice but not all that much money.
A record since 2018, according to the tweet

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China and Ecuador finished the negotiations of the technical aspects of their free trade agreement recently.
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Decoupling? What decoupling?
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Stierlitz

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China’s reopening from Covid-19 restrictions will not only accelerate the country’s economic recovery, but it will also boost global economic growth, according to Goldman Sachs Research.

Due to the faster-than-expected rate of reopening, our economists now forecast China’s GDP to grow by 6.5% in 2023 on a Q4/Q4 basis. On top of that, the reopening—and the recovery of Chinese domestic demand—could raise global GDP by 1% by the end of 2023, GS Research’s Joseph Briggs and Devesh Kodnani write in a new report.

“The global growth backdrop has brightened,” Briggs and Kodnani say. “While we already expected most major economies to avoid recession and China to see a growth rebound from an end to zero-Covid, the more rapid pace of China’s reopening since then—along with a waning drag from global financial conditions and lower European gas prices—has prompted us to upgrade our expectations further.”

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TK3600

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China’s reopening from Covid-19 restrictions will not only accelerate the country’s economic recovery, but it will also boost global economic growth, according to Goldman Sachs Research.

Due to the faster-than-expected rate of reopening, our economists now forecast China’s GDP to grow by 6.5% in 2023 on a Q4/Q4 basis. On top of that, the reopening—and the recovery of Chinese domestic demand—could raise global GDP by 1% by the end of 2023, GS Research’s Joseph Briggs and Devesh Kodnani write in a new report.

“The global growth backdrop has brightened,” Briggs and Kodnani say. “While we already expected most major economies to avoid recession and China to see a growth rebound from an end to zero-Covid, the more rapid pace of China’s reopening since then—along with a waning drag from global financial conditions and lower European gas prices—has prompted us to upgrade our expectations further.”

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We will see if Abeconomic's 5% is right haha.
 
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