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As China opens up, Alipay+ is getting involved to make payment transactions easier for people going outside of China and for people coming into China. That means making other Alipay+ payment systems work more easily with places that support Alipay. And to make Alipay get accepted in more places. All of which makes the experience as seamless as paying in native country.
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There should be a lot of Chinese tourists going to Singapore, Thailand, Korea, Indonesia and Japan.
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Guangzhou, Suzhou, and nine other Chinese cities that had gross domestic products of more than CNY1 trillion (USD146.2 billion) each last year have set targets for economic growth this year of as much as 7 percent.

Of the 24 cities with GDP of more than CNY1 trillion last year, Guangzhou, Suzhou, Jinan, Qingdao, Changsha, Hefei, Zhengzhou, Fuzhou, Ningbo, Nantong, and Wuhan had released GDP targets for 2023 as of yesterday, aiming at increases of between 5 percent and 7 percent.

Guangzhou, capital of Guangdong province, aims for a 6 percent jump in GDP, up from last year’s 5.5 percent goal. The city plans to invest over CNY1 trillion in the next 12 months, promote the construction of commercial complexes, support housing development, the new energy vehicle sector, and elderly care services, and expand its cruise industry, its annual work report showed.

The economic growth of cities will definitely increase in 2023, as last year set a low base, and China has eased its Covid-19 restrictions, Peng Peng, chief executive of Guangdong System Reform Research Society, told Yicai Global.

Suzhou expected to expand its GDP by 5 percent this year, the lowest target among the 11 cities, the local government said in a work report released on Jan. 7. To maintain rapid growth, the city in Jiangsu province will accelerate its upgrading and transformation and hike investment in research and development and high-tech companies, it noted.

Wuhan said in its 2023 work report that GDP will likely increase by 6.5 percent. The capital of Hubei province will make efforts to expand demand and steady economic growth, it noted.

Hefei, capital of Anhui province, set its GDP growth target at 6.5 percent. The city said it would strive to improve effective investments and spend a total of CNY450 billion (USD65.8 billion) on 2,000 key projects worth CNY100 million (USD14.6 million) each this year.

Changsha and Zhengzhou said they aim for GDP to climb by 7 percent, while Fuzhou targets a 6.5 percent increase.


if everything goes well, then Chinese economy will grow 5-6 percent in 2023 year. hugeee
 

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Chinese and Foreign Research Institutes Lift China GDP Forecast in 2023 amid a Package of Stimulus Policies including Expanding Domestic Demand

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CITIC Securities: It is expected that the Chinese economy will achieve a growth rate of more than 5% in 2023 with the support of consumption and infrastructure
Will the Chinese economy achieve a growth rate of more than 5% in 2023? China's GDP growth rate in 2022 is expected to be slightly higher than that in 2020, but the base will remain low. Therefore, it is not difficult to achieve an economic growth rate of more than 5% this year from a low base in 2022. Excluding the impact of unexpected events, while considering the economic stimulus in 2023 and the optimisation of pandemic prevention and control measures, China’s economic activities will gradually return. The consumption and infrastructure sectors will provide strong support for economic recovery.
Dongfang Jincheng: The year-on-year growth rate of China’s GDP in 2023 is expected to reach around 5.0%-6.0%
In 2023, the impact of the three-year pandemic will subside in an all-round way, which will drive domestic GDP growth to rebound against the background of the global economic slowdown.
The GDP growth target for 2023 is set at "around 5.0%", which is higher than the actual growth rate of about 3.0% in 2022.
In 2023, the year-on-year growth rate of GDP is expected to reach around 5.0%-6.0%. The actual growth momentum will be "weak at the beginning of the year and strong at the end". The biggest uncertainty facing the macro economy in 2023 is when the real estate industry will pick up and the recovery pace. In the context of the global economic slowdown, the growth of Chinese exports will drop significantly in 2023, which could become a bearish factor for Chinese economic growth.
CDB Securities: It is expected that China’s GDP will increase by 5% year-on-year in 2023 in neutral scenario
In 2022, the Chinese economy is still in the process of recovery, but it will be generally less impacted by the pandemic. Among them, the infrastructure investment plays the role of pillar sector, while the investment in high-tech manufacturing and technological transformation will lead the manufacturing investment, and the export market will remain relatively resilient. But at the same time, the recovery of consumption is slow, the drag on real estate investment is increasing, and the supply side is constrained by the demand side that has not seen a significant improvement for a long time, and its role in supporting the economy has weakened. China’s GDP is expected to grow by 2.8% year-on-year in 2022.
For the Chinese economy in 2023, the recovery of domestic demand under the influence of the pandemic is still uncertain. At the same time, the decline in export growth rate caused by the recession in overseas demand may be inevitable, and it is pressing to boost domestic demand. In view of the current situation of weak domestic demand, it is necessary to optimise the prevention and control of the pandemic to the greatest extent, improve the efficiency of infrastructure projects, accelerate the transformation and upgrading of the manufacturing industry, and stabilise the development of the real estate market. It is estimated that in the neutral scenario (the impact of the pandemic is subsiding, consumption is gradually recovering and policies remain stable and positive, etc.), China’s GDP will be 5% year-on-year in 2023.
Guotai Junan: China's economic growth rate is predicted to be 4.8% in 2023
In 2023, China's macro economy will meet key challenges in many fields. There are three trends in the macro environment: mometary tightening, China's "quasi-MMT", and industrial policy and institutional reforms.
We predict that China's economic growth rate will be 4.8% in 2023, and economic recovery will start in the second quarter, and the economy will be more optimistic in the second half of the year. There is no worry about inflation throughout the year, and the economic recovery will accelerate since the third quarter of 2023. The economic policy environment will favour equity assets, the fiscal and monetary policy is relatively easy, and the credit will bottom in the first half of the year. The important change lies in the significant increase in the influence of industrial policies.
Yide Futures: Restoration is more self-generated and long-term oriented
Yide Futures predicts that China’s GDP will grow by 5.8% year-on-year in 2023,
and the growth rate in the four quarters will be 4.6%, 8.0%, 5.2% and 5.4% respectively. If the wait-and-see period after the pandemic prevention and control measures are lifted and the recovery of the consumption is slow, the GDP forecast will be lowered to 5.3% for the whole year, and 4.3%, 7.4%, 4.7% and 4.9% for the four quarters respectively.
In 2023, under the background of the expected stabilisation of the economic cycle, the policy environment will continue to improve. But the growth will be weighed on by the constraints of the international environment and the risk of rebounding domestic inflation, and structural policy tools will be the main key.
The Kaiyuan Securities believes that short-term post-pandemic recovery can be expected and the long-term growth is under pressure. It is estimated that the GDP growth rate in 2023 will be 5.1%. (1) The history of global efficiency and Chinese-style modernisation: The disappearance of the demographic dividend has weighed on the development potential. It is estimated that China's economic growth in the next five years may fall to 5.2%-5.4%, and the pandemic may have an additional downward impact of 1.3 percentage points. Therefore, "Chinese-style modernisation requires the realisation of high-quality development" and requires momentum from technological progress and structural upgrading.
According to Wanhe Securities, the economic growth rate in 2023 is expected to be around 5.5%. Since the outbreak of the pandemic three years ago, China's average annual economic growth rate has remained low. Promoting economic growth back to a reasonable range is the focus of economic work this year. The momentum of economic growth in 2023 is still weak.
International institutions
Goldman Sachs: China's economic growth forecast raised to 5.2% from 4.5% in 2023
China's pandemic prevention and control measures continue to be optimised, and the reopening is earlier than generally expected. As is mentioned in the Goldman Sachs Outlook - 2023 China Macroeconomic and Stock Market Strategy released earlier, reopening means that China may usher in a strong consumption rebound in 2023, a stronger core inflation rate and a gradual return to normal cyclical policies, Goldman Sachs’s macroeconomic research team also raised China's economic growth forecast for 2023 to 5.2% after the government announced the optimisation of pandemic prevention and control measures in addition to the reference to China's economic data for November released in mid-December. Previously Goldman Sachs expects China's GDP growth rate to accelerate from 3.0% this year to 4.5% in 2023.
Judging from the driving forces for the economic recovery, China's exports are bound to slow down due to weakening international demand, while major boost will shift from investment to consumption driven by the reopening of the economy. Among the consumer categories, the areas most affected by the pandemic, such as travel and entertainment, have the greatest room for recovery. With regard the investment category, Goldman Sachs expects infrastructure investment to decelerate significantly in 2023, followed by manufacturing investment to a lesser extent.
UBS also raised its forecast for China's economic growth in 2023 from 4.5% previously to 4.9%. UBS chief China economist Wang Tao believes that China's economic activities will gradually recover starting from early 2023.
JPMorgan Chase: China's GDP growth rate is expected to reach 5.3% in an optimistic scenario
JPMorgan raised its baseline forecast for China's economic growth in 2023 to 4.3% from 4.0% due to the earlier-than-expected lift of pandemic control measures. JPMorgan Chase previously predicted that China's economic growth in 2023 will be 4%. If an "orderly, well-prepared, and clear-cut reopening" is achieved, the growth rate is expected to reach 5.3% under optimistic scenarios, but the key lies in the transition period after the pandemic control policies are lifted. As the drag from the pandemic outbreak fades by the middle of 2023, economic growth may receive greater attention.
After lifting pandemic control policies, the infection curve will suddenly steepen, which may lead to a short-term slowdown in consumption and service spending, and may interrupt production and supply chain activities. It is predicted that the economic growth rate in the second and third quarters of 2023 will be lower than the trend growth rate, and the GDP growth rate will return to the trend level in the fourth quarter and exceed the trend level in the first quarter of 2024. It is predicted that the economic growth rate in 2023 and 2024 will be 4% and 6% respectively.

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China takes new measure to promote de-dollarization​

Beijing extends hours for onshore yuan trading

China takes new measure to promote de-dollarization


The Chinese authorities have extended trading hours for the onshore yuan as part of the state goal to broaden cross-border use of the national currency and boost yuan trading activity, Bloomberg reports.

Starting January 1, trading hours for the onshore yuan have increased so that foreign-exchange transactions are now possible until 3am in Beijing instead of the 11:30pm cutoff that had been in place formerly. The step takes trading into the European evening and deeper into the US day.

The measure bolsters Beijing’s previous initiatives aimed at promoting the use of the Chinese national currency in transactions with major energy exporters and commodity supplies. Last month, President Xi Jinping confirmed that Beijing was ready to make energy purchases in yuan instead of the US dollar with the member states of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC).

While opening up the markets has been on Beijing’s agenda for some time, growing tensions with Washington over a wide range of issues from Taiwan and Russia to semi-conductor technology and free trade have caused growing concerns over the potential use of the US dollar as an economic weapon against China.

The nation’s attempts to ditch the greenback in international trade have also intensified against the backdrop of the sweeping sanctions introduced by Western nations against Russia, one of the world’s major energy producers and exporters.

“Beijing is trying hard to keep the yuan relevant as an international currency to counter recent geopolitical tensions and hostile sentiments, especially in the US,” Stephen Jen, the chief executive officer of London-based hedge fund Eurizon SLJ Capital, told Bloomberg.

The yuan rallied to the strongest level in four months after China announced the planned trading hour extension. The currency has advanced since November, as global investors bet on China’s economic recovery following the drop of its zero-Covid policy.
 

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a few interesting items.
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Currency swap with Argentina would help more trade settlement with Argentina in RMB and this helps with lithium purchases and such.

some general strength in USD/CNH trade so far this year. Mostly due to USD dropping from its highs of last year, but probably also due partly to increasing confidence in Chinese economy from outside investors.
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$3 billion in 4 days into Chinese stock markets through HK doesn't sound like a lot, but it's a good start for China trying to make its market a place where foreign investors can hold their money. USD is normally the currency of choice for central banks due to its liquidity and its reputation as safe haven and ease of investment in USD bdenominated assets

More on Petroyuan discussion. Again, don't expect it to happen overnight. It's going to be a slow movement where they get more and more energy exporters to trade on Shanghai exchanges and then encouraging other countries to buy from Shanghai.
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For example, if Venezuelans want to find customers, they can list their oil on Shanghai exchanges or get it blended/refined in China and then sold.
good video discussing what's pushing the end to USD dollar hegemony.

Keep in mind these things don't happen over time. It will take time and expand out slows before accelerating once it reaches certain point. Don't expect Yuan to become the reserve currency. Countries will simply trade in their own currencies and such. China itself should demand on using Yuan to buy products from most countries like Argentina.
The swap comprises the exchange of currency for reinforcement of international reserves of 130 billion yuan ($19.2 billion) and a special activation of 35 billion yuan to compensate operations on the foreign exchange market, the embassy said.
Seems like this deal added 130 billion CNY into the currency reserves. I am not sure how this is compensated to China, whether in goods or just Argentinian Pesos. If its the latter, then China is basically eating a depreciating currency in return for geopolitical gain.

In November, the Argentine branch of the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China launched a yuan-clearing service, which will bring convenience for cross-border currency transactions, promote exchanges of technology and talent and open up new opportunities for both countries, the Xinhua News Agency reported.
so they already have yuan clearing service, which is great.

Apart from Argentina's new move, Brazil - Latin America's largest economy - more than quadrupled its foreign reserves in yuan in 2021 to 4.99 percent of its central bank's holdings, while trimming holdings of the US dollar and the euro, public data showed.

According to Goldman Sachs, yuan holdings in four Latin American countries - Brazil, Chile, Mexico and Peru - are close to $30 billion, up about 10 times from the end of 2018.
The big deal here is Brazil. If relation between China/Brazil get tighter under Lula, Brazil should be doing more trading with China in native currency + holding my CNY reserves. Keep in mind that CNY is a relatively stable currency and probably an undervalued one if you look at the trade balance data. While at the same time, Latin American countries have really suffered from depreciating currencies. As such, holding USD hasn't been good for them.
 

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Seems like this deal added 130 billion CNY into the currency reserves. I am not sure how this is compensated to China, whether in goods or just Argentinian Pesos. If its the latter, then China is basically eating a depreciating currency in return for geopolitical gain.
No. Argentina is expected to exchange the same amount of Pesos for the same amount of RMB later to close the balance.
 

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Foreign Policy article about the chinese real estate market

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Alot of people in the TV and internet say that china´s real estate sector is too big (about a quarter of the nation´s GDP), and that despite the government crackdown on the real estate sector, prices are still high. If prices are still high, why are they trying to prop up the market again?

Which leads IMO to another question: was the economic growth from the last 10 years real or was it largely asset bubbles growth? And what about the future? will china be able to have economic growth within its economic fundamentals (without government stimulus or bubbles)?
 
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