Chinese Economics Thread

Proteus

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Finally, the metro lines in Ho Chi Minh and Hanoi are gradually coming into operation. (God this insane traffic I want to ride a 125cc bike over there one day) The railway between the two capital cities needs to be upgraded and normalized so that there is no need to transfer goods to other trains during their interconnection with international networks. A standard gauge dual powered line would be ideal. in general, I imagine Vietnam to be something like China in the late 90s and early 2000s, with Vietnamese characteristics :) I believe that Vietnam which is also governed by a Leninist-style one-party democratic centralism, some say authoritarianism, would be the next pearl of Asia in the coming decades
Elite's chosen mechanism in Vietnam is so bad, so many state-owner projects look ok but the execution like a mess because of the lack of capability, corruption destroys everything, many talents go away from the country, and others don't have a chance to improve the government system. The metro projects are an example of how corruption destroys good projects, the projects take a long time and extra costs for construction, and have many problems inside, Vietnam will gradually shift to the US side because of territory disputes with China and history reason, and the color revolution is a matter of time because of lack of trust in the government system, the western media affect a lot of young generation, the economy depends on both China and the West, heavily. I think in the short run Vietnam's economy will be ok but not too great, but in the long run, when an incident happens, It will be devastating because both China and the West will choose Vietnam as a place for a proxy war. If don't have any chance for Elite's chosen mechanism, the incident is a matter of time.
 

AndrewS

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Elite's chosen mechanism in Vietnam is so bad, so many state-owner projects look ok but the execution like a mess because of the lack of capability, corruption destroys everything, many talents go away from the country, and others don't have a chance to improve the government system. The metro projects are an example of how corruption destroys good projects, the projects take a long time and extra costs for construction, and have many problems inside, Vietnam will gradually shift to the US side because of territory disputes with China and history reason, and the color revolution is a matter of time because of lack of trust in the government system, the western media affect a lot of young generation, the economy depends on both China and the West, heavily. I think in the short run Vietnam's economy will be ok but not too great, but in the long run, when an incident happens, It will be devastating because both China and the West will choose Vietnam as a place for a proxy war. If don't have any chance for Elite's chosen mechanism, the incident is a matter of time.

Vietnam will be neutral.

Remember that China can result achieve air superiority over the skies of Hanoi and easily implement a maritime blockade of Vietnam's ports.

At the same time, China is Vietnam's largest trading partner and Vietnam is essentially a spoke in the China-centric global supply chain.

Furthermore, the Vietnamese Communist government knows that the West would love to see them replaced.

However much the Vietnamese people may not like China, they all recognise that China is so much bigger.

So the smart thing is for Vietnam to remain neutral, and reap the economic benefits if China and the US clash.

And if need be, the Chinese Communist party will support the Vietnamese Communist party to stay in power.
 

horse

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Worth listening

1. Thanks for posting that, that was excellent!

2. Mr. Woo was right about everything, but this calls for the future, we have to wait to see what the market does.

3. Race and ethnicity are important questions in America, and watching this video, we can sense that underlying theme. There really is a Chinese Wall, in terms of dealing with other peoples, and the way of thinking. David Woo, is an American, but inside, we can tell he is different, through and through. He's just one of us!

LOL.

:D
 

Strangelove

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Vietnam suffers from lack of infrastructure. Their rail infrastructure is atrocious and the power generation capacity is severely constrained.
This means you mostly see low energy input factories with high amounts of hand assembly so there is little chance of Vietnam getting out of its hole without major changes to policy.

Vietnam has almost twice the population of South Korea so in theory it could have a pretty large economy but I see the government moving way too slowly on investment.

The investing firms, both Chinese and Korean, often have to build the infrastructure themselves.
 

escobar

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The manufacturing that has spilled over to Vietnam and SEA is still being managed by Chinese companies, but now with cheaper Vietnamese workers.
Huge increases in auto parts (40%), lithium batteries (75%) and solar panels (95%) but labor intensive products were in fact lower. This means contraction in employment and further loss of confidence slowing the economy.
 

luosifen

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So, that American ban on Xinjiang products is going well:

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2022-09-11 08:34:17Xinhua Editor : Zhang Dongfang
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Workers transfer containers from an inbound train to a domestic train at the Alashankou Port, Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region, in September 2020. [Photo by CAI ZENGLE/FOR CHINA DAILY]
Foreign trade levels of Northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region soared 49.6 percent year-on-year to nearly 145.6 billion yuan ($21 billion) from January to August this year.
Urumqi Customs said that during this period, Xinjiang exports reached over 120.9 billion yuan, up 58.2 percent year-on-year, while its imports grew by 18 percent year-on-year to 24.6 billion yuan.
The increase in foreign trade in the region is attributed to a series of steps taken to ensure stability in employment, the financial sector, foreign trade, foreign investment, and domestic investment, according to Urumqi Customs.
Urumqi Customs also noted that thanks to streamlined customs clearance measures, the operation of China-Europe freight train services in Xinjiang had been continuously improved.
From January to August, Alataw Pass and Horgos Port, both major rail ports in Xinjiang, achieved a record high in handling 8,701 China-Europe freight trains, up 6.5 percent compared to the previous year.
 

zbb

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So, that American ban on Xinjiang products is going well:

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2022-09-11 08:34:17Xinhua Editor : Zhang Dongfang
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Workers transfer containers from an inbound train to a domestic train at the Alashankou Port, Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region, in September 2020. [Photo by CAI ZENGLE/FOR CHINA DAILY]
Foreign trade levels of Northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region soared 49.6 percent year-on-year to nearly 145.6 billion yuan ($21 billion) from January to August this year.
Urumqi Customs said that during this period, Xinjiang exports reached over 120.9 billion yuan, up 58.2 percent year-on-year, while its imports grew by 18 percent year-on-year to 24.6 billion yuan.
The increase in foreign trade in the region is attributed to a series of steps taken to ensure stability in employment, the financial sector, foreign trade, foreign investment, and domestic investment, according to Urumqi Customs.
Urumqi Customs also noted that thanks to streamlined customs clearance measures, the operation of China-Europe freight train services in Xinjiang had been continuously improved.
From January to August, Alataw Pass and Horgos Port, both major rail ports in Xinjiang, achieved a record high in handling 8,701 China-Europe freight trains, up 6.5 percent compared to the previous year.
This is talking about foreign trade that leave/enter through Xinjiang. E.g., products manufactured in other parts of China but exported to Europe through freight trains that exit China in Xinjiang are counted in these numbers.
 

sndef888

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Zhanjiang, China – September 6, 2022 – BASF is inaugurating the first plant of its Zhanjiang Verbund site today. It will supply an additional capacity of 60,000 metric tons of engineering plastics compounds per year in China, bringing BASF’s total capacity of engineering plastics in Asia Pacific to 420,000 metric tons from 2023. The new plant will enable BASF to meet the growing demand of its customers, particularly in the automotive and electronics industries.

“It is an exciting start for our Zhanjiang Verbund site,” said Dr. Martin Brudermüller, Chairman of the Board of Executive Directors, BASF SE. “The inauguration of the first plant paves the way for the site. Upon completion, it will be our third largest Verbund site globally and a role model of sustainable production both in China and around the world.”

The plant will be supplied with 100% renewable electricity. BASF aims to power the entire Zhanjiang Verbund site with 100% renewable electricity by 2025.

“The Zhanjiang Verbund site will be built with the latest digital technologies and to the highest safety standards. It will provide high-quality, low-carbon-footprint products and build up stronger business connections with customers in South China, underlining our commitment to the Chinese market,” said Dr. Markus Kamieth, Member of the Board of Executive Directors, BASF SE, who is responsible for BASF’s Asia Pacific region.

In 2020, BASF started construction of the first plants at the planned integrated Verbund site in Zhanjiang. In July 2022, BASF made the final investment decision for the main construction phase of the Zhanjiang Verbund site, covering the heart of the Verbund including a steam cracker and downstream plants to support growth of our customers in the dynamic Chinese market. This phase is targeted to start up in late 2025. An expansion phase covering further downstream plants for diversification is expected to be operational by 2028.

As announced in July 2018, the BASF Zhanjiang Verbund site will be the company’s largest investment to date, with up to €10 billion by 2030, and operated under the sole responsibility of BASF. The next startup is planned for 2023 covering a plant for the production of thermoplastic polyurethanes (TPU).
Germany's largest chemical company BASF 10 billion euro investment into China going well

Given the skyrocketing input prices in europe due to the russia ban, BASF is probably planning to move even more production to China
 

ansy1968

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Germany's largest chemical company BASF 10 billion euro investment into China going well

Given the skyrocketing input prices in europe due to the russia ban, BASF is probably planning to move even more production to China
Bro remember the The Comprehensive Agreement on Investment or CAI, well EU hadn't approved it yet due to the US insistence so for China it's a godsent, meaning the Chinese hadn't boarded the sinking ship...lol Now without these bilateral agreement, China can pick and choose what the Europeans can bring and the Chinese investment will go elsewhere within the BRI or in Russia.;)
 
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