Chinese Economics Thread

xypher

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It matters nothing that EU + US and Japan have a larger gdp than Russia and China, what matters is which bloc can create more and better goods.

The flaw behind intimidating small nations to do your bidding in a flock is that they're inherently flaky compared to real allies bound on shared principles, equality and goals.

Even if EU claims they will starve to save USA, do you think the EU citizens will not cause any unrest once pressure mounts?

Having secured both a larger economy and more importantly a much larger real economy, China only needs to gradually put the squeeze on America, dragging them into proxy wars like Ukraine to keep their inflation high and wages stagnant, slowly but surely causing domestic unrest. And this so called 25 nation empire of USA will meet the same fate as the 15 nation empire of USSR.
GDP is an important metric in my opinion BUT you need to disaggregate and compare different components that make up the GDP. GDPs of both the US and EU are inflated through expensive services (including rent) and fake statistics like "imputed rent". So in reality the gap is not big and far closer to what we can observe in terms of actual power, and that gap is shrinking - EU is a decaying power similar to Japan and is declining faster than the US, this energy crisis shows that behind all the chest puffing the EU is a paper tiger. If China keeps expanding its influence in Africa, Central & South-East Asia, South & Central America, then soon enough the US and its Warsaw pact will find itself isolated by the people who are tired of their bullshit and who control most of the resources. USA, Canada & Australia don't have enough reserves to maintain the resource poor Europeans & Japanese.
 

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manqiangrexue

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Of course there is a practical value to aggregating countries that will do whatever the US wants. If the US tells the Netherlands not to allow ASML to ship lithography machines to China, what do you think it is going to do? If it tells France and Italy not to use Huawei 5G, what will they do? If the US tells Canada to arrest Meng Wanzhou, what do you think Canada will do?

I think we know the answer to that. They will listen to their masters. They always have. Nothing has changed since the days of the Eight-Nation Alliance. Only now it's the 33-nation alliance (NATO + Japan + Australia + India)

The US is an empire, not a nation state. When you go against the US, you go against the entire empire.


"1 on 1" comparison is meaningless.
No, even though those nations aren't neutral, there is no value in adding all of what they have to the US.

1. They have people to take care of and their own agendas to achieve; that is what the vast majority of their resources will be used for. What little they have to offer the US as they are bullied to do it is nothing compared to their total value. Compared to American and Chinese GDP, it's peanuts in a battle of titans.

2. Because of the parallel development of technology, multiple countries working on the same technology is not nearly the same as a large country with all of the resources coordinating the effort to develop the technology. With some "alliance," at best, they may somewhat complement but they will never come close to directly stacking.

3. Lastly, American power is visibly fading and those countries will not do whatever the US asks. That line is moving as Chinese power ascends. ASML is very much opposed to and will basically have to be forced to ban sales to China. 2 years into the tech war and they're still finding loopholes to send DUV machines to China. America had to send an endless stream of politicians to bribe, beg and threaten nations not to use Huawei and for all of its effort, Huawei's still the world's largest 5G vendor. A few nations begrudgingly obliged while most around the world told the US to F off. The US couldn't even get Canada to extradite Meng; they gave the US a final face-saving deal, which is that she digitally tell a US judge that she admits to nothing and then they sent her home to China. The decision to arrest her went through some small circuit fast-track but the decision to release her was the biggest national issue to Canada at the time; in other words, the US snuck a fast one to get Canada on board but after getting on board, the whole nation thought about it and got off because they didn't want anymore trouble with China. America struggled very hard on all of them; that's about as far as its influence goes; if this is an empire, it's falling apart.

There is absolutely no reason to add them together as if they were all part of the US; what you are doing is meaningless. A pure 1 on 1 comparison has much more value than what you attempt to offer but in the real world, it's basically 1 on 1 with several nations being American cheerleaders maybe throwing insults, maybe some eggs or tomatos at China as China faces that US 1 on 1 in the ring. Do these things have value? A little bit; China could slip on one or be distracted but it's a far far cry from any of them being in the ring on America's side. If anything Russia is a more consequential ally than any other player here other than China and the US.
 
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