That's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard since pandemic started, not surprising though coming from a eugenic doctor, a practicing one no less, if one has to believe the claim. FFS, Primum non nocere is now eugenics? What a fuck up world we live in now, trying to save general public lives and maintain people's health is now called eugenics? Did you get your license from University of American Samoa? Like I said, humans are not mere organism, not microbes. We are more than that. But I guess it's well past beyond that point of reasoning for a certifiable eugenics doctor then.
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That's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard since pandemic started, not surprising though coming from a eugenic doctor, a practicing one no less, if one has to believe the claim. FFS, Primum non nocere is now eugenics? What a fuck up world we live in now, trying to save general public lives and maintain people's health is now called eugenics? Did you get your license from University of American Samoa? Like I said, humans are not mere organism, not microbes. We are more than that. But I guess it's well past beyond that point of reasoning for a certifiable eugenics doctor then.
Here's a recently new more virulent HIV variant found in the Netherlands.
Also the trend seems to be newer Covid variant getting more transmissible and immunity evading with reinfection becoming more common. Even if Covid doesn't increase in virulence and instead continue to increase in transmissibility, the threat it poses becomes even greater, as there will be more chances for reinfection which would be like rolling a dice to see if you get a disability from long Covid and hospitals possibly being overwhelmed during surges.
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Oh we have a few armchair PhD epidemiologists here
Just a bunch of quacks wanking hard on eugenics.
Waiting for the crossover between the above Dutch HIV and Monkeypox.
I wonder what it'll be called? Dutch Anglopox? or Anglo-Dutch HIV?
Thanks for the article, I'll have to admit that the the evolution of virulence is more complex than I've understood. Now, I never claimed that a virus will always become less virulent, merely that it would not become more virulent. After reading the article, I do believe that I failed to fully account for the effects of the environment as I had only focused only on the host-pathogen relationship. My statement was too general, and I see now that many potential exceptions exist. I do still find it hard to imagine the exceptions that may apply to COVID, but nature does often exceed my imagination. I don't think China's attempt to change the environment to affect virulence would work though, as the rest of the world isn't doing the same.
As for eugenics, I know what the common understanding of eugenics is, that it's an intentional selection for desirable traits. My assertion is that selection of desirable traits occurs regardless of intention. Or to put it more plainly, every action we take has the same effect of practicing eugenics whether it is intended or not. Whether that will have any practical effect in our lifetime, i.e. whether it'd be a bottleneck event, is another discussion which I have not touched on and do not intend to touch on.
China is very large. With the promotion of dynamic zeroing and precise prevention and control, there are few areas actually blocked. Under the premise of early intervention, there may even be only one building, one community, and one street. Now 99% of the areas are in a low-risk mode, and foreign media have exaggerated suspicions. There is a Chinese saying that "I often don't fit in with you because I'm not abnormal enough." Change to the world: "I'm often out of tune with the world because I'm not cold-blooded enough!"
Superior traits are selected for survival by nature, the fittest survive, that's the basis of evolution. You're not a creationist, are you? Classical eugenics is merely a misguided attempt by humans who think they can do nature's job better than nature itself, that's probably the eugenics you're thinking of. Try thinking broader. A society that's successful in saving general public's lives and maintaining people's health will survive better than one that doesn't. That society's genes will live on, and the fact that they'll live on is a testament to their superiority. The end result is more superior genes in the human population. Isn't that the goal of eugenics?
Bcz countries that doesn’t have 0 COVID policy are doing so good huh
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China's failing that test? Who's passing? The Western economies that are in stagflation with 500K-1 million deaths? The US would be drunk on laughter if the situation was reversed; they might amend all the stars on the US flag into coronavirus icons to celebrate the virus that allowed them to defeat China! The only country passing that test is one in your imagination that has 9% growth with negligible deaths and the economy is fully opened up. China is the only major country that has minimal deaths/infections while sustaining a more than respectable rate of growth every year.
The foolish policy is from those nations with massive deaths per capita and economy also in trouble, which is basically the US and EU. From the ongoing results, we see that China's policy is still the wisest in the world. But China will not sustain this policy forever, and we don't rely on COVID disappearing but the question is when is the right time to let it go. From the deaths that it caused in Shanghai (and of course in the West, which still sees hundreds of deaths every day), it is clear that the time is not yet.
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