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For 16 years, China has been the biggest recipient of foreign direct investment. Now, its outbound investment is starting to catch up.

At the ongoing trade and investment fair in Xiamen, Fujian province, developed countries like the United States and Australia are falling over each other trying to find local investors.

"We are all very short of money," a US businesswoman said at the Xiamen trade fair.

An increasing number of local businesses are starting to look for bigger markets beyond China. Li Yongqi, the owner of an electric bicycle factory in Shijiazhuang, Hebei province, said he wants to set up a similar plant in Illinois, where there's high demand for his bicycles.

Chinese businesses invested over $18.6 billion overseas last year, while total outbound investment from China was just $2.5 billion in 2002, according to commerce ministry statistics.

In the first half of this year, China invested $25.66 billion in other countries in the financial sector, up 229 percent on the same period last year.

"Outbound investment by Chinese businesses has entered a faster stage of development," Liu Yajun, director of the commerce ministry's investment promotion agency, said. The country's outbound investment will increase at a much faster rate, and on a larger scale, he said.

The government supports businesses wanting to invest in other countries, as more local companies seek opportunities to expand in foreign markets, Liu said.

But many local businesses lack experience outside China and are unfamiliar with the business environments of other countries, he said.

The agency released five investment reports Tuesday to educate local investors on the business environments of five countries including Canada and Peru.

The commerce ministry is also working on a series of reports on investing overseas. They cover investment opportunities, tax policies, investment risk and macroeconomic information. The ministry has already released reports on over 20 nations.
 

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That China will become the world's largest luxury market is not something that we should feel proud of, says an article in Qilu Evening Post. The following is an excerpt:

The Ministry of Commerce estimates that China will become the world's largest luxury market by 2014, accounting for 23 percent of the total. Current data shows that China now ranks third in the world behind the United States and Japan.

According to the World Luxury Association, spending on luxury items in China was $8 billion last year, rising at an annual rate of 20 percent.

Things only shown in movies - villas in Florida, limousines, top brand clothing, and private planes - have started to appear around us. As a online posting said, "as we just start to solve the dilemma of three generations living under one roof, you now live in fancy villas; as we just start to wear gold necklaces, you are wearing diamonds; as we just start to drink beer, you are switching to 100-year-old Scotch whiskey". This vivid description showcases the lifestyle enjoyed by the newly rich Chinese.

China's economic boom has included a boost in luxury goods. Of course, luxury goods are not sinful things, individuals can buy them without feeling guilty. But the problem is while it has taken more than a century for the luxury market in Western countries to develop maturely it has only taken 30 years for China to be ranked third.

More importantly, luxury consumption in the West is propped up by a mature charity culture. While Bill Gates owns luxurious villas, he is also dedicated to charitable causes. With the fast growth of China's luxury market, wealthy Chinese tend to lack interest in charity work. It is not healthy for China to embrace luxury goods too quickly before more of the wealth can be spread around.

It is worth noting that not just wealthy Chinese like buying luxury goods, even more and more wage earners are also buying them. Some of them even tighten their belts to buy such goods.

It is squandering the wealth of a developing country like China to consume luxury goods too early. It indicates a loss of our traditional culture and ethics. The title of "world's largest luxury market" is not an acclaim but an alarm for us.
 

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Morgan Stanley in talks to sell stake to China: FT

BEIJING, Sept 19 (AFP) Sep 19, 2008

Troubled US investment bank Morgan Stanley is in talks to sell a stake of up to 49 percent to China's sovereign wealth fund, the Financial Times reported Friday, citing people close to the discussions.

The talks with China Investment Corp., or CIC, which bought a 9.9 percent stake in Morgan Stanley in December, were "advanced but no deal had been clinched yet", the paper said, quoting unidentified sources.

Morgan Stanley's top management prefer a stake sale to CIC to a merger with US lender Wachovia, according to the paper.

The paper said CIC president Gao Xiqing had been scheduled to meet Morgan Stanley executives in San Francisco.

When asked by China's state-run Xinhua news agency, an unnamed CIC official did not rule out the prospect of buying a stake in Morgan Stanley but pointed to political hurdles in the United States over such a deal.

"Even if the CIC intended to buy a stake, it could be very hard now as the purchase of a stake, even one smaller than 10 percent, could be subject to the US government foreign investment review," the official said.

The Financial Times also said the sale of a significant stake of a blue-chip Wall Street firm to a state-owned Chinese institution could cause a political backlash in Washington.

Nick Footitt, Morgan Stanley spokesman in Hong Kong, declined to comment on the report when contacted by AFP Friday.

CIC was established last year charged with managing 200 billion dollars of China's bulging forex reserves, and has become an iconic symbol of the country's growing financial muscle as it scours the world for acquisition targets.

The Government of Singapore Investment Corp (GIC), one of the world's largest sovereign wealth funds, said Thursday it would explore a possible stake in Morgan Stanley if the US investment bank made an approach.

CNBC business network reported Thursday that Morgan Stanley was also in talks to be bought by the Chinese bank CITIC.

The reports came in the same week that US investment bank Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy while another Wall Street firm, Merrill Lynch, was forced to sell itself to Bank of America for 50 billion dollars.


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What if Marx and Mao were right after all?

Rupert Wright
Last Updated: September 19. 2008 12:04AM UAE / September 18. 2008 8:04PM GMT

A Chinese, dressed in a Red Guard and holding a "Little Red Book" (quotations of Chairman Mao), performs in a Cultural Revolution theme based restaurant in Beijing April 7 2006. Jason Lee / Reuters

When the Berlin Wall fell, American commentators were quick to point out the significance. “We flipping won,” crowed PJ O’Rourke, a right-wing writer. Francis Fukuyama, an academic, was more measured, but perhaps even more extreme. In his book, The End of History, he declared that the event had ushered in a new era, that the Cold War struggle was over; the West had won. The message was clear: the Russian bear was beaten and capitalism was king.

Off we went on a financial money-go-around, fuelled by low interest rates. Globalisation was promised to bring us all to a better place, with free trade being the vehicle to do it. From Argentina to China, collective farming and industry were abandoned and markets opened up to outside investment. Privatisation was the dogma of choice, encouraged by the International Monetary Fund and advised by Wall Street.

A visit to government offices in eastern Europe in the 1990s was not complete without meeting their financial adviser – normally a fresh-faced American just out of graduate school.

Even Russia fell in with this free-market thinking, privatising its major industries – even oil, gas and aluminium companies – until the rouble came under sustained attack and the markets crashed in 1998. Investment bankers, who had flocked to Moscow, packed their bags and left. Then president Boris Yeltsin resigned in disgrace, Vladimir Putin assumed power and was then voted in as president to restore order to the country. He was saved by a soaring oil price, started nationalising oil companies and had people wondering on Wall Street: could this ever happen here?

The notion was unthinkable, absurd. John Cassidy had written a piece in The New Yorker in 1997, outlining how some of his Wall Street banking chums had been using the writings of Karl Marx as a guide to Wall Street. How we laughed.

But Marx, despite the failure of communism, had important and interesting things to say about globalisation, although few people were listening. His model economy made it clear that capitalism tended towards monopoly, which should lead to strong regulation. But Wall Street bankers resist regulation in the way that small children resist going to bed. Marx’s “theory of immiseration”, which stated that profits would increase faster than wages, so workers would become poorer in time, was proving correct. Inflation-adjusted wages in the late 1990s were lower than in the 1970s, with one exception – those working on Wall Street.

Capitalism went forward, unchecked and often without regulation; even the world’s last major communist country, China, embraced it. But the Chinese were smarter than anybody had thought. Utilising their vast resources and workforce, they became the world’s factory. Five years ago my then 10-year-old son asked me: “Is everything made in China?” His world view, though obviously skewed by looking at the bottom of too many toys and PlayStations, was prescient. On the back of all these exports, China suckered America into a dependence on cheap goods and in the meantime built up enormous cash reserves, which they lent to America so they could buy more cheap goods. A virtuous circle indeed.

Less than 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the comrades must be chuckling into their vodka and pickled gherkins. One of Marx’s assertions was that “politicians carry water for their corporate paymasters”. This has quietly held true for much of the past 20 years, but was definitely apparent in the past couple of weeks.

At last the financial bosses are queuing up in Washington to make their case that their company is worth saving. This has led to unprecedented scenes: events on Wall Street in the past few weeks are nothing short of nationalisation. First, the US Treasury took over Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae; they were quasi-government backed, so the move was not altogether unexpected. However, the authorities refused to prop up the ailing investment bank Lehman Brothers.

The British used to execute its admirals, as Voltaire observed: “to encourage the others”. This may not have encouraged the markets, but panicked them instead. It was supposed to send a signal to the so-called “Masters of the Universe” that they were on their own. But it spooked the markets into wondering who would collapse next. Nobody was too big to fall.

This philosophy lasted a whole day, when it became clear that American International Group (AIG), America’s biggest insurer, needed an urgent injection of funds or it, too, would seek bankruptcy protection. As it is a major player in the US$62 trillion (Dh227.7tn) credit default swaps market, it was deemed too big to fail. It used to be said that if you owed $100 to a bank, they owned you; if you owed them $1 million, you owned them.

So the American taxpayer now owns 80 per cent of AIG, has backed the fire-sale of Bear Stearns to JP Morgan with guaranteed loans, has rescued Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and provided a further $300bn for the Federal Housing Authority. All in all, the sums are enormous, pushing up to $1tn and an exposure several times that.

What next? The last two “bulge bracket” banks, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, have come under sustained selling pressure on the market.

The US Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) announced yesterday plans to limit short-selling. It may have come a day too late to save Morgan Stanley, and possibly Goldman Sachs from a merger of convenience. The market has decided that the business model of lending and leveraging is no longer feasible. Commercial banks are immune to this problem, because they rely on retail deposits for their capital. This begs the question: if banks won’t lend to other banks, why should we?

Morgan Stanley is desperately looking around for somebody to bail it out – and looking beyond Washington. Its main focus is China, not unreasonably, as they have the money. Reports suggest that the country’s wealth fund, China Investment Corporation, is interested. By the weekend one of America’s grandest investment banks may be called Morgan Stanley Bank of China.

Soon everything won’t be just “made in China”, but owned by China. Perhaps Savile Row suits one day will no longer be the clothing of choice on Wall Street, but instead blue tunics, just like Chairman Mao’s. Bankers will be carrying little red books, reminding them of the importance of regulations, not to deal in financial instruments that they don’t understand and not to lend to people who cannot pay them back.

Wall Street will be hoping it won’t come to this, but will have to learn to live with more scrutiny.



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12 more arrested in China's tainted milk scandal By ANITA CHANG, Associated Press Writer
Thu Sep 18, 7


SHIJIAZHUANG, China - More than a 1,000 parents anxious over tainted milk powder on Thursday rushed their infants to hospitals for health checks as the government announced that a fourth baby had died in the spreading scandal.

Meanwhile, regulators in Hong Kong ordered the recall of milk products from a Chinese dairy after finding the banned industrial chemical melamine in eight of 30 sample products tested.

Police in Hebei province said they had arrested 12 more people Thursday, bringing the total to 18. Shi Guizhong, spokesman for the provincial police, said six allegedly sold melamine, while the other 12 were milk suppliers accused of adding the chemical to milk.

The official Xinhua News Agency said the latest death was a baby in the far western region of Xinjiang. However, an official at the No. 2 Agriculture and Production Corps. Hospital in Yanqi, Xinjiang, said it was too early to say if the 8-month-old baby died of complications caused by the tainted milk powder.

Shi said Hebei police and government officials were starting a 10-day campaign to focus on melamine contamination. Suppliers to the dairy companies are believed to have added the banned chemical, normally used in plastics, to watered-down milk to make it appear higher in protein.

Police also confiscated 660 pounds of suspected chemicals, including 490 pounds of melamine, he said. An additional 87 people were summoned for questioning and 28 people have been detained, according to Shijiazhuang Vice Mayor Zhang Meizhi.

One suspect, surnamed Su, told police that from February 2007 to July 2008 he bought 200 44-pound sacks of melamine $29 each, and sold them all to milk suppliers, Shi told a news conference.

At the Beijing Children's Hospital Thursday, more than 1,000 anxious parents waited for check ups as they carried their sleeping infants and toddlers. By 2 p.m, doctors had seen only half of the 1,200 who waited in line.

Nervous parents said their children had all been drinking three major brands of baby milk powder, all of which have been recalled after government tests found melamine.

Fang Sunyi, 28, who was holding her 3-month-old son, said he had been fed Sanlu Group Co. and Guangdong-based Yashili since birth.

"I'm just praying there's nothing wrong with my son," she said. "We first fed him Sanlu, then stopped because that was reported to be bad quality, then we switched to Yashili, but now there's nothing left. We don't know what's safe anymore and we don't want to take any chances."

In Shijiazhuang, Hebei's capital, the new chairman and chief executive officer of Sanlu, the dairy company whose milk powder has been linked to all of the known illnesses, apologized at a news conference Thursday.

Zhang Zhenling said he wanted to "express deepest apologies" for the tainted milk powder and for "harm and losses to consumers." He then bowed three times.

Zhang pledged that Sanlu would "turn pressure in motivation" to resolve the crisis properly. His predecessor was fired earlier this week and has been detained by police.

Parents gathered outside Sanlu's headquarters in Shijiazhuang to get refunds for their purchases of tainted milk powder. The mood was calm but there was confusion as parents traded tips on what products they thought were safe.

A 30-year-old mother who gave only her surname Wang said her 1-year-old daughter seemed healthy but that she was still worried. The three major milk powder brands that she usually buys — Yili Industrial Group Co., Mengniu Dairy Co. and Sanlu — have all been recalled.

"Of course as a mother, I was really nervous," she said. "Now we have no idea what kind of milk to give the baby. They all have problems."

The widening crisis has raised questions about the effectiveness of tighter controls China promised after a series of food safety scares in recent years over contaminated seafood, toothpaste and ingredients for pet food.

The Hong Kong recall covers milk, yogurt, ice cream and all other products made by Yili Industrial Group Co. and distributed in Hong Kong, said Constance Chan, controller for the territory's Food Safety Center.

In addition to the recall in Hong Kong, Singapore authorities announced they were recalling an ice cream bar made by Shanghai Yili AB Foods after melamine was found in it.

China's government has dispatched thousands of inspectors to monitor milk powder producers after health officials reported Wednesday that the number of babies sickened by tainted formula rose to 6,244.

This is the second major case in recent years involving baby formula. In 2004, more than 200 Chinese infants suffered malnutrition and at least 12 died after being fed phony formula that contained no nutrients.
 

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Bank of China has 129 million dollars exposure to Lehman

SHANGHAI, Sept 18 (AFP) Sep 18, 2008
Bank of China said it had 128.8 million dollars of exposure to Lehman Brothers as more Chinese banks revealed on Thursday how much the collapsed US titan could cost them.

The bank held 75.6 million dollars in bonds issued by Lehman, and its New York branch had extended 53.2 million dollars in loans to the failed US investment bank and its units, the nation's largest foreign exchange lender said in a statement late Wednesday.

The exposure accounted for 0.01 percent of the Chinese lender's total assets at the end of June, it said.

"We will closely watch the latest developments," the statement said.

The bank said it would account for any losses on its books, but added it did not expect the exposure to seriously affect its financial position.

The disclosure came as other Chinese lenders revealed their exposure to Lehman after the Wall Street giant filed for bankruptcy protection in New York on Monday.

China's largest lender Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, or ICBC, said earlier it had 151.8 million dollars worth of exposure to Lehman, including bonds issued by Lehman, or linked to the US bank.

"The impact on us is very small, we were lucky," an ICBC spokesman told AFP, adding the amount represented 0.01 percent of ICBC's total assets.

Mid-sized Industrial Bank said its exposure to Lehman caused by investments and transactions was about 33.6 million dollars, according to a statement filed with the Shanghai Stock Exchange on Thursday.

China Merchants Bank, the first mainland Chinese lender to disclose its exposure to Lehman after its failure, said on Wednesday it held 70 million dollars in bonds issued by Lehman.

The exposure included 60 million dollars of senior debt and 10 million of subordinated bonds issued by Lehman, the country's sixth-largest bank said.


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Bank of China has 129 million dollars exposure to Lehman
The exposure accounted for 0.01 percent of the Chinese lender's total assets at the end of June, it said.

"We will closely watch the latest developments," the statement said.

The bank said it would account for any losses on its books, but added it did not expect the exposure to seriously affect its financial position.

The disclosure came as other Chinese lenders revealed their exposure to Lehman after the Wall Street giant filed for bankruptcy protection in New York on Monday.

China's largest lender Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, or ICBC, said earlier it had 151.8 million dollars worth of exposure to Lehman, including bonds issued by Lehman, or linked to the US bank.

"The impact on us is very small, we were lucky," an ICBC spokesman told AFP, adding the amount represented 0.01 percent of ICBC's total assets.


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well great, the total assets of those 3 banks is about $300million. Now Lehman's bankrupt. I presume those moeny would go up in smoke.

lol, at the comment of they were lucky.. for people don't know what to do with their money.
 

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well great, the total assets of those 3 banks is about $300million. Now Lehman's bankrupt. I presume those moeny would go up in smoke.

lol, at the comment of they were lucky.. for people don't know what to do with their money.

lol. I guess by holding corporate debt, you don't get a single penny in the event of liquidation. ;)
 

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lol. I guess by holding corporate debt, you don't get a single penny in the event of liquidation. ;)

You know the purpose of Bankruptcy? It means unloading its financial liabilities. It has 20 to 30 billions worth of bad debts. By selling its assets to Barclay for 200 millions, yeah, you will get a few pennies for your debts. LOL.
 

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You know the purpose of Bankruptcy? It means unloading its financial liabilities. It has 20 to 30 billions worth of bad debts. By selling its assets to Barclay for 200 millions, yeah, you will get a few pennies for your debts. LOL.

The purpose of bankruptcy is so the company that filed can liquidate its assets to first pay back its financial obligations to debt holders, and then to ownership, genius. But why should I expect you to know this much, I mean after all, you seemed to think that you can make a finished product without using any raw materials.
 
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