Chinese Economics Thread

W20

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"So many"

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the New Empire of the Romans (1839/46/1945-) is undoubtedly the largest and deadliest empire the face of the earth has ever seen

TiglatPileser III ...

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... TutMoses III ...

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... they were small-scale amateurs
 

tygyg1111

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Spending
Food
7,316​
Alcohol
478​
Housing
21,409​
Clothes
1,434​
Transport
9,826​
Healthcare
5,177​
Entertainment
2,912​
Personal Care
646​
Reading
114​
Education
1,271​
Tobacco
315​
Retirement Accounts
9529​
Other
907​
Savings23,018
Savings
What about drugs? $907 per year just doesn't seem to cover it... and no, I'm not talking about "healthcare" drugs
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Spending
Food
7,316​
Alcohol
478​
Housing
21,409​
Clothes
1,434​
Transport
9,826​
Healthcare
5,177​
Entertainment
2,912​
Personal Care
646​
Reading
114​
Education
1,271​
Tobacco
315​
Retirement Accounts
9529​
Other
907​
Savings23,018
Savings
Turns out most of spending is on required things like housing, healthcare, transport and education. Discretionary spending is low.

US retail sales is only $566 billion.

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German retail sales for less than 1/3 the population are equal size at 525 billion Euros.

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Chinese retail sales are at $644 billion but that's at Chinese prices.

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xypher

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Turns out most of spending is on required things like housing, healthcare, transport and education. Discretionary spending is low.

US retail sales is only $566 billion.

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German retail sales for less than 1/3 the population are equal size at 525 billion Euros.

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Chinese retail sales are at $644 billion but that's at Chinese prices.

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If you go through his link, you'll get that housing eats 34.9% of the revenue; ~8.6% goes into transportation (excluded the vehicle purchases); ~3.9% goes to food (counted only the "away from home" section); 11.8% for insurance and pension plans; 8.4% to healthcare (btw, ~71% of the expenditure is health insurance); ~6.5% for fees & admissions, cash contributions (whatever that is), education. So, around 82% of the money is spent on "services" (rent, transportation, etc.).

So Americans spend only roughly a quarter of their annual expenditure on shopping. Probably even less, since we have no disambiguation for "Miscellaneous", "Apparel and services", etc.
 

MortyandRick

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Census: MRTS covers firms classified in the Retail Trade and Food Services sectors as defined by the North American Industry Classification System (NAICS). Retail Trade, as defined by NAICS sectors 44-45, includes establishments engaged in selling merchandise in small quantities to the general public, without transformation, and rendering services incidental to the sale of merchandise. Two principal types of establishments classified in retail trade can be distinguished-
1. Store retailers operate fixed point-of-sale locations, located and designed to attract a high volume of walk-in customers. They have extensive displays of merchandise, use mass-media advertising to attract customers and typically sell merchandise to the general public for personal or household use. Some store retailers also provide after-sales services, such as repair and installation; for example, new automobile dealers.
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DeStatis:
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Census excludes restaurants, hotels and tourist providers; DeStatis includes it.

US retail sales and consumption are high
I don't see where it states DeStatis includes it and census doesn't. And what about NBS, what does that include?
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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Of course, this is variable as well. US house sizes are larger than the rest of the world, US car ownership per household is higher than the rest of the world, and substantial healthcare procedures are elective.
In the US elective surgery doesn't mean optional or not medically necessary, it only means that it can be scheduled. For example, cancer treatment is considered elective.

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I don't know about you but I wouldn't consider cancer treatment to be optional.

Car ownership and home sizes are also determined by zoning laws, not for consumer preference. People don't drive in the US for fun, they drive because cities are zoned for car dependency. There's minimum lot sizes, maximum building heights and restrictions on lot subdivision too.
 

AndrewS

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Right but what I meant was simply that there is a substantial amount of unnecessary medical intervention by US consumers

It's not really the consumers (patients) driving unnecessary tests or procedures.

It's the hospitals who fear getting sued if they miss something.
And the doctors who then order extra tests or hospital stays for the patient, just to be on the safe side.

If medical costs were reasonable, that wouldn't be so much of an issue.
But the costs are extortionate.
 
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