Chinese Economics Thread

BoraTas

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When the western media talk about little return from infrastructure investment like train, they are just narrowed it down basically based on ticket sale. But that is not what infrastructure investment meant. They are meant to spur development along the railway, Increase efficiency of good and people transport, promoting investment in hinterland now that distance is not an issue. Development of town and cities along the railway.

So fi you add all those benefit clearly the investment will paid off in a decade
True. For example, doubling the paved road network results in 40% faster (percentage of percentage) economic growth.
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AssassinsMace

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Yes the US is going to fry its circuits with their contradictions. I was watching Morning Joe Scarborough this morning and he was talking about how all these big US corporations he's been talking to personally are planning to leave China because the business environment is not friendly. They've been saying that for decades. They've been also saying US companies don't make money in China because Chinese don't buy American. Then why are they there? Why not just end any relations entirely if the West gets nothing from China? Even Trump didn't do that. I think there was a YouTube video posted in here talking about the top selling cars in China are foreign brands. China is selling something like a third more cars domestically than the US is in domestic sales. If foreign auto companies lose the China market due to Western anti-China actions, most of these Western brands that sell in China will not only just leave China, they'll probably go out of business. That's how dependent they are on the China market now. If these Western companies leave China, it's because of anti-China laws in their own countries. Yes we all know Western governments somehow don't understand the meaning of the right to retaliation when they act against China.
 

Fedupwithlies

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Yes the US is going to fry its circuits with their contradictions. I was watching Morning Joe Scarborough this morning and he was talking about how all these big US corporations he's been talking to personally are planning to leave China because the business environment is not friendly. They've been saying that for decades. They've been also saying US companies don't make money in China because Chinese don't buy American. Then why are they there? Why not just end any relations entirely if the West gets nothing from China? Even Trump didn't do that. I think there was a YouTube video posted in here talking about the top selling cars in China are foreign brands. China is selling something like a third more cars domestically than the US is in domestic sales. If foreign auto companies lose the China market due to Western anti-China actions, most of these Western brands that sell in China will not only just leave China, they'll probably go out of business. That's how dependent they are on the China market now. If these Western companies leave China, it's because of anti-China laws in their own countries. Yes we all know Western governments somehow don't understand the meaning of the right to retaliation when they act against China.


"It's a conclusion I'm also hearing from limited partners, with one major fund-of-funds manager referring to government tightening on companies like ByteDance as "a first world problem.""

"China's startup environment is no longer the Wild West, but its emergent sheriffs aren't scaring anyone off."

So this directly contradicts the US claim that China doesn't have "the rule of law".

Which, of course, we all knew, but its still nice to see it in writing.
 

AssassinsMace

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"It's a conclusion I'm also hearing from limited partners, with one major fund-of-funds manager referring to government tightening on companies like ByteDance as "a first world problem.""

"China's startup environment is no longer the Wild West, but its emergent sheriffs aren't scaring anyone off."

So this directly contradicts the US claim that China doesn't have "the rule of law".

Which, of course, we all knew, but its still nice to see it in writing.
Yes, unlike in the US where making money is most important hence why the dilemma of putting regulations on US social media companies. Same philosophy with the stock market hence why they get too big to fail.
 

zgx09t

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Many of the roads/bridges and specially the HSR built in recent years have had little return.
Every economic activity is not strictly about the relationship between types of capital and all supreme profit. That's only one of the perspectives among several others. It'd be fair to say financial analysis mostly deals with above relationship in details and identifies the relationship among those elements and quantify the all important, for them, profit, which I believe is your line of argument. Here, an economic activity is only a means to an end, ie ,profit. You can also look at an economic activity from production, distribution and expenditure perspective, where an economic activity is only a means to further productivity, meaning they are intermediate inputs to further economic activities, not strictly for profit only that ends in that stage there and then ; basically the same way how Fed's stimulus works, except in this case, stimulus money wouldn't go to Wall Street and Corporate fat cats and capitalist cronies. Here, you try to count the benefits it brings to society in general, not the profitability, but the maximum productivity and fair social equity and justice. Here, 'why' of the economic activity is more important than "IRR". That's the proper frame of reference for you to understand why, not one dimensional business journalist articles that were written in such a way so that the regular average run of the mill joe journalist who wrote it in one dimension without much thinking or thought process would get his pay, despite the obviously different characteristics and goals of the different economic activities.

If you still cannot wrap this idea around your head, try picking up Fed's mandates, any laws on taxation, social and infrastructure programs in US etc., etc., so that what you are thinking and saying can move on to 21st century.
 
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Andy1974

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The west s going to try to initiate a great crisis and blame it all on evergrande…

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Evergrande, the world's most indebted corporation, could ultimately lead to a "Great Reset", i.e. the final meltdown of the global financial system.

(Note to journalists: See DMSA press releases dated Oct. 25 and Oct. 29, 2021, and the DMSA study "The Great Reset - Evergrande and the Final Meltdown of the Global Financial System"; all available via the DMSA homepage
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Franklin

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Yes the US is going to fry its circuits with their contradictions. I was watching Morning Joe Scarborough this morning and he was talking about how all these big US corporations he's been talking to personally are planning to leave China because the business environment is not friendly. They've been saying that for decades. They've been also saying US companies don't make money in China because Chinese don't buy American. Then why are they there? Why not just end any relations entirely if the West gets nothing from China? Even Trump didn't do that. I think there was a YouTube video posted in here talking about the top selling cars in China are foreign brands. China is selling something like a third more cars domestically than the US is in domestic sales. If foreign auto companies lose the China market due to Western anti-China actions, most of these Western brands that sell in China will not only just leave China, they'll probably go out of business. That's how dependent they are on the China market now. If these Western companies leave China, it's because of anti-China laws in their own countries. Yes we all know Western governments somehow don't understand the meaning of the right to retaliation when they act against China.
Doesn't come as a surprise at all since China is now just as important to the global economy and business as the US and the EU is. Maybe even more so.
 
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