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published widely in Chinese state-run media described President Xi Jinping’s regulatory crackdown as a “profound revolution” sweeping the country and warned that anyone who resisted would face punishment.

“This is a return from the capital group to the masses of the people, and this is a transformation from capital-centered to people-centered,” the commentary said, adding that it marked a return to the original intention of the Communist Party. “Therefore, this is a political change, and the people are becoming the main body of this change again, and all those who block this people-centered change will be discarded.”

The opinion piece was originally published by a WeChat blogger who goes by the name “Li Guangman Ice Point Commentary.” In an unusual move that indicated official support, it was reposted online by major state-run media outlets including Communist Party mouthpiece People’s Daily, Xinhua News Agency, PLA Daily, CCTV, China Youth Daily and China News Service.


Xi’s campaign calling for “common prosperity” has intensified in recent weeks, with agencies vowing to step up tax enforcement, crack down on labor abuses and take action against “fan culture” in the entertainment industry. The measures have roiled markets, with a measure of price swings in the country’s shares last week soaring to the highest level in 16 months.
The author wrote that high housing prices and medical costs will become the next targets of the campaign. While the piece reiterated comments from prominent Chinese economists last week that the campaign would not “kill the rich to help the poor,” it said the government needed to “combat the chaos of big capital.”

“The capital market will no longer become a paradise for capitalists to get rich overnight,” the commentary said. “The cultural market will no longer be a paradise for
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stars, and news and public opinion will no longer be in a position worshiping Western culture.”
The piece finished by connecting the increasingly “complicated” external environment China faces to what it characterized as “brutal and ferocious” attacks by the U.S. The author suggested, without providing an explanation, that if China relied on capitalists to fight imperialism it could suffer the same fate as the Soviet Union.

Bloomberg did not fully translate the anti-US part. In addition to making the Chinese economy more egalitarian (thus, solidify domestic support) , the author seems to suggest that under the threat of US' anti-China foreign policy, Beijing needs to enter a quasi-war economy, so it could no longer rely on Chinese capitalists to be the vanguards of the country's political economy. In other words, 1990s Three Represents is dead.
 

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I understand the need to reduce video game addiction among teenagers. However, if China has video game addiction problem, so does South Korea, Japan, and the United States. It does not seem like video games are destroying the livelihoods of Americans, Koreans, and Japanese en mass like heroine or cocaine. Plus gaming revenues are what allow Tencent and NetEase to reinvest in other sources of R&D.

As with the tutors crackdown, this is one area in which I am very confused. China has a meritocratic tradition that goes back to the Tang and Song Dynasties. Paying hundreds and thousands for exams are things parents from every generations of Chinese have longed wanted to do. It is what makes Chinese meritocracy competitive and ensures only the best of the best get to join the civil service, so decisions-makers are surrounded by extremely smart people as opposed to party politics. However, one thing I do support is breaking the monopolies of tutoring giants, so individuals tutors/teachers (folks who really work their butts off to train new students) get to keep most of the profits for themselves as opposed to kept by 新东方 and others.
Revenue and earning from teenagers only made up 3% of Tencent overall gaming revenue. The ban would not put a dent in incomes for both Tencent or Netease. As for game addiction problem, it is true that the issue isn't only confined to China. However, I would argue that gaming addiction has destroyed many kids livehoods both in China and other countries. The Chinese government decided to tackle the issue. Of course, it is unknown how effectiveness the ban would be or it is wise to enact a blanket ban.

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Meritocratic tradition is to allow everyone a chance to climb the ladder. The tutoring phenomena is giving everyone a false sense of illusion and unrealistic expectation. These companies are feeding off parents' anxiety while ramping up pressure on children to drive business. Parents end up with a huge financial burden and children have become exhausted and forced to spend 20 hours in the weekend for extracurricular. And no, I don't agree that tutors and teachers should get paid even more than they have.
 

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That is still is the primary goal, the CCP wants to let everyone make money, the big companies should be making all the money they can, and they should lead the way in R&D expenditure.

I do not believe anything has changed.

The crackdown by the CCP on big tech seems like a non-story.

No company is being forced to break up, like what Reagan broke up the US telecom market, and no company has been ask to pay a really big fine (someone did get fined, but it was so small it was slap on the wrist).

All these new rules were necessary. These were new markets, all unregulated.

For example, in a real estate transaction, the broker if there is one, will get a commission, usually around 1% to 3%. The broker does not get a 30% commission.

However, if a developer sells something via a platform, they must pay Amazon or Google that 30%.

No one must sell something like code through the Amazon or Google platform, but those two big companies crowded out the smaller platforms. So who set that rate at 30%, the market? The government? That is why there has to be new rules.

A lot of this stuff coming out from China, it is not some grand ideological gambit, aimed to changed society, all it is it appears is the nuts and bolts of rules or regulations. The standard fare of governance.

In capitalism, there are always two issues the state must guard against. One is the monopoly power issue. Two is the free rider issue.

Seems to me big tech everywhere is abusing the former, and they actually abuse the latter too, such as the Uber causing traffic on the roads. Does Uber pay any taxes to the municipality to fix the potholes? I don't think so.

The nuts and bolts of governance through regulation, is not interesting stuff. The ideology is what gets people excited. That is why this crackdown, which really ain't much of a crackdown, is being sold as some ideological struggle in the Western media.

In the end, the CCP is more or less saying to big tech, you cannot make money this way anymore, but you can still make all the money you want in other ways, just the monopoly power cannot be in the hands of the few, and the free rider problem must be addressed when it happens.

This is not socialism, this is capitalism at work.

The CCP government, is regulating the market, to make it work better, by limiting monopoly power, and curtailing the free rider.

If this was socialism, they would be raising taxes, and they are not doing that. If the CCP raises taxes, sooner or later we will see another revolution, heh!

They should be cutting taxes!

[rants][/rants]

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China is leading the way to a new world order!!

Boo ya their arse in Pundit-istan land.

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August 25, 2021 | 4:38 AM EDT

S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance​


By Heekyong Yang and Joyce Lee

SEOUL, Aug 25 (Reuters) - A South Korean parliamentary committee voted on Wednesday to recommend amending a law, a key step toward banning Google and Apple from forcibly charging software developers commissions on in-app purchases, the first such curb by a major economy.

Apple Inc (AAPL.O) and Alphabet Inc's (GOOGL.O) Google have faced global criticism because they require software developers using their app stores to use proprietary payment systems that charge commissions of up to 30%.

In a statement on Tuesday, Apple said the bill "will put users who purchase digital goods from other sources at risk of fraud, undermine their privacy protections", hurt user trust in App Store purchases and lead to fewer opportunities for South Korean developers.

Wilson White, senior director of public policy at Google, said "the rushed process hasn't allowed for enough analysis of the negative impact of this legislation on Korean consumers and app developers".

Experts said app store operators could assure security in payment systems other than their own by working with developers and other companies.

"Google and Apple aren't the only ones that can create a secure payment system," said Lee Hwang, a Korea University School of Law professor specialising in competition law.

Others noted that South Korea had some of the most robust legal protections for online transactions in the world, and said app store operators should provide advanced services to bolster profits.

"Dominant app store operators with large platforms should by now look to profit from value-added services, not just taking a cut from apps sold on its store," said Yoo Byung-joon, a Seoul National University School of Business professor who specialises in electronic commerce.

Based on South Korean parliament records, the amendment bans app store operators with dominant market positions from forcing payment systems on content providers and "inappropriately" delaying the review of, or deleting, mobile contents from app markets.

It also allows the South Korean government to require an app market operator to "prevent damage to users and protect the rights and interests of users", probe app market operators, and mediate disputes regarding payment, cancellations or refunds in the app market.

After the vote from the legislation and judiciary committee to amend the Telecommunications Business Act, dubbed the "Anti-Google law," the amendment will come to a final vote in parliament.

That vote was to come on Wednesday, but the session was provisionally delayed to Aug. 30, a parliament official told Reuters. read more

This month in the United States, a bipartisan group of senators introduced a bill that would rein in app stores of companies that they said exert too much market control, including Apple and Google.

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cue the outrage and hand wringing and the lame analysis of civilization downfall from Pundit-istan land, all the usual suspects, probably on CIA payroll ...

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As with the tutors crackdown, this is one area in which I am very confused. China has a meritocratic tradition that goes back to the Tang and Song Dynasties. Paying hundreds and thousands for exams are things parents from every generations of Chinese have longed wanted to do. It is what makes Chinese meritocracy competitive and ensures only the best of the best get to join the civil service, so decisions-makers are surrounded by extremely smart people as opposed to party politics. However, one thing I do support is breaking the monopolies of tutoring giants, so individuals tutors/teachers (folks who really work their butts off to train new students) get to keep most of the profits for themselves as opposed to kept by 新东方 and others.
The problem is the incentive structure present with tutoring in China. Teachers can potentially earn more tutoring than the official teacher salary. What happens is often key information is withheld to the students during regular class to artificially suppress test scores. Then during extracurricular tutor sessions the students are taught the key information which has real results when it comes to testing. The delta between the before and after tutoring test scores incentivize parents to pay for tutoring and teachers to not teach efficiently during class time.

I see the current crackdown on tutoring as an effort in increasing the overall efficiency of education. Profits of the industry will be damaged. These companies will need to adjust their education material to not conflict with core material and create moral hazard.
 

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lol, rent control

Not necessarily. After reading the policy document, the 5% annual increase cap seems to me to be a policy goal rather than a specific policy. So if a local government can keep the average rent in check by building public housing, they don’t have to place rent control on private landlords.

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Here’s the relevant article

“ (四)确保住房租赁市场供需平稳。不短时间、大规模拆迁城中村等城市连片旧区,防止出现住房租赁市场供需失衡加剧新市民、低收入困难群众租房困难。注重稳步实施城中村改造,完善公共服务和基础设施,改善公共环境,消除安全隐患,同步做好保障性租赁住房建设,统筹解决新市民、低收入困难群众等重点群体租赁住房问题,城市住房租金年度涨幅不超过5%。”

The 5% figure appears in the context of ensuring adequate supply of urban housing.
 
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AndrewS

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The problem is the incentive structure present with tutoring in China. Teachers can potentially earn more tutoring than the official teacher salary. What happens is often key information is withheld to the students during regular class to artificially suppress test scores. Then during extracurricular tutor sessions the students are taught the key information which has real results when it comes to testing. The delta between the before and after tutoring test scores incentivize parents to pay for tutoring and teachers to not teach efficiently during class time.

I see the current crackdown on tutoring as an effort in increasing the overall efficiency of education. Profits of the industry will be damaged. These companies will need to adjust their education material to not conflict with core material and create moral hazard.

@ChongqingHotPot92

It goes back to something I wrote here last year on excess tutoring.

There aren't enough opportunities (in any country) if every student tries to follow the same path.

The existence of a tutoring industry forces students to focus on a set of exams and narrows their prospects to an ultracompetitive niche.

But if the students can explore more options and find other paths to "success", then overall you should have a more balanced, productive and happier society.

Allowing parents to engage in an expensive arms race with tutoring on core exam subjects is therefore a *BAD* thing
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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The problem is the incentive structure present with tutoring in China. Teachers can potentially earn more tutoring than the official teacher salary. What happens is often key information is withheld to the students during regular class to artificially suppress test scores. Then during extracurricular tutor sessions the students are taught the key information which has real results when it comes to testing. The delta between the before and after tutoring test scores incentivize parents to pay for tutoring and teachers to not teach efficiently during class time.
If this were the case, then teachers' salaries should be varied. For example, if the average final exam score of Class 05 is higher than Class 04, then the chief instructor 班主任 for Class 05 should receive higher bonus those of Class 04 at the end the year. Otherwise the teachers aren't going to work hard to make the students successful. If not given incentives (like bonus for students' improvement, but marginal wage cuts for sudden drops in student grades) to make students successful, these teachers would just behave like the Soviets: pretending to work.
 
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