Chinese Economics Thread

voyager1

Captain
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The tools US uses to create turmoil can also be used by China to protect its interests. What matters is conviction. If China is serious about protecting its interest they can stop any such disruption.
Regarding Regime change, US no longer has the ability to do that the way they used to before. They failed to do that in Syria and Venezuela.
All i want is China to have a better foresight and not have a reactive foreign policy. Just few years ago i saw how State Media was going gaga over the China-Aus relations. Now look where we are.
US is still good on its old tricks, no need to worry about that

See Myanmar, that managed to have a state next to China almost ready to fall in civil war

See in Central Asia where recently there were border clashes between the countries there

You are severely underestimating the US here. Year by year it will make China's neighborhood a disaster zone. Lets see then how China's BRI will work then

"Muh non-intervention on internal affairs" what a joke. If you dont intervene, the US will run amok on all these countries bleeding China little by little until it falls down

Hopefully China can drop this "non-intervention" joke in the next decade. This policy is way past its time to get retired
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
US is still good on its old tricks, no need to worry about that

See Myanmar, that managed to have a state next to China almost ready to fall in civil war

See in Central Asia where recently there were border clashes between the countries there

You are severely underestimating the US here. Year by year it will make China's neighborhood a disaster zone. Lets see then how China's BRI will work then

"Muh non-intervention on internal affairs" what a joke. If you dont intervene, the US will run amok on all these countries bleeding China little by little until it falls down

Hopefully China can drop this "non-intervention" joke in the next decade. This policy is way past its time to get retired
Well China was not always "non interference" as I remember clearly listening to radio Beijing back then. China is feisty and combative. They encourage rebellion against the imperialist and their running dog. "exhorting overseas Chinese to support motherland" etc
Back then China was poor and in the mid of cultural revolution and has nothing to lose. Until Deng come to power and decide to concentrate on reform and opening up, realizing China is way behind in economic development. And need peace and development as well good relation with the neighbor. So he ask LKY why the neighbor hate China . LKY asked him to stop the propaganda war. The more China meddle in SEA affair the more they hate China and the overseas Chinese. Within half a year all the propaganda stop and no more diatribe against "imperialist and running dog"

All in all it serve China well as she focus on developing her economy and her people well being instead of running propaganda war the result speak for itself . You see strength does not come from rhetoric but must be backed by robust economy and military muscle. Without any diplomatic offensive rung hollow Case in point India does any body care what happened to India?

Granted thing change and policy must be calibrated now that China has overcome the hurdle of basic living for her citizen and the program for military modernization coming to and end in near future. You can see it now China start stiffening her back and talk back to the west to their chagrin and discomfort. but getting bog down in snake pit of middle east is not advisable or desirable. The Chinese rejuvenation program still has some way to go. So keep focus and don't get distracted except the red line
 
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Kaeshmiri

Junior Member
Registered Member
US is still good on its old tricks, no need to worry about that

See Myanmar, that managed to have a state next to China almost ready to fall in civil war

See in Central Asia where recently there were border clashes between the countries there

You are severely underestimating the US here. Year by year it will make China's neighborhood a disaster zone. Lets see then how China's BRI will work then

"Muh non-intervention on internal affairs" what a joke. If you dont intervene, the US will run amok on all these countries bleeding China little by little until it falls down

Hopefully China can drop this "non-intervention" joke in the next decade. This policy is way past its time to get retired
Sure US can foment violence, it isn't a difficult thing to do honestly. But regime change is a diff ballgame that US is consistently failing to do so.

Reg scrapping NI policy it'll require immense economic and military might afterwards. China will probably wait for a decade or so when its economy surpasses that of USA and military capability matches it..
 

weig2000

Captain
US is still good on its old tricks, no need to worry about that

See Myanmar, that managed to have a state next to China almost ready to fall in civil war

See in Central Asia where recently there were border clashes between the countries there

You are severely underestimating the US here. Year by year it will make China's neighborhood a disaster zone. Lets see then how China's BRI will work then

"Muh non-intervention on internal affairs" what a joke. If you dont intervene, the US will run amok on all these countries bleeding China little by little until it falls down

Hopefully China can drop this "non-intervention" joke in the next decade. This policy is way past its time to get retired

Well China was not always "non interference" as I remember clearly listening to radio Beijing back then. China is feisty and combative. They encourage rebellion against the imperialist and their running dog. "exhorting overseas Chinese to support motherland" etc
Back then China was poor and in the mid of cultural revolution and has nothing to lose. Until Deng come to power and decide to concentrate on reform and opening up, realizing China is way behind in economic development. And need peace and development as well good relation with the neighbor. So he ask LKY why the neighbor hate China . LKY asked him to stop the propaganda war. The more China meddle in SEA affair the more they hate China and the overseas Chinese. Within half a year all the propaganda stop and no more diatribe against "imperialist and running dog"

All in all it serve China well as she focus on developing her economy and her people well being instead of running propaganda war the result speak for itself . You see strength does not come from rhetoric but must be backed by robust economy and military muscle. Without any diplomatic offensive rung hollow Case in point India does any body care what happened to India?

Granted thing change and policy must be calibrated now that China has overcome the hurdle of basic living for her citizen and the program for military modernization coming to and end in near future. You can see it now China start stiffening her back and talk back to the west to their chagrin and discomfort. but getting bog down in snake pit of middle east is not advisable or desirable. The Chinese rejuvenation program still has some way to go. So keep focus and don't get distracted except the red line

Sure US can foment violence, it isn't a difficult thing to do honestly. But regime change is a diff ballgame that US is consistently failing to do so.

Reg scrapping NI policy it'll require immense economic and military might afterwards. China will probably wait for a decade or so when its economy surpasses that of USA and military capability matches it..

I actually think all three of you guys have made some good points, from different perspectives.

I definitively think China should never emulate the US's foreign intervention, regime change, bombing to democracy type of policy. On the other hand, the mechanical, self-serving non-intervention foreign policy has really come from a position of weakness. It's hard to think that a great power like China shouldn't care about what's going on in her neighborhood. To be sure, blunt interference in other countries' internal affairs is a terrible idea, but soft power, economic cooperation, and other non-threatening policy instruments to influence and shape the other countries' behaviors and policies are far more preferable.

As China grows wealthier and more powerful, it'll have more ways to shape and influence other countries' behaviors and policies, even internal ones, without resorting to naked intervention. And it will be able to do so to more countries, even faraway countries. You'll need prestige, diplomacy and economic power, backed up by military power.
 

bajingan

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the article said China is going to increase its use of recycled steel as it moves to curb its carbon emissions, which will enable them, in just a few years, to cut australia off.

"With increased supply from other sources, greater use of recycled steel and a structural decline in Chinese steel demand, it may be feasible for China to cut off australian iron ore...by the middle of the decade."

"If that were to happen, there would be a devastating hole in australia’s finances, meaning federal and state governments would take a major tax income hit and the services we, as everyday australians, rely on would suffer."

Lol, aussies better be ready for massive decline in living standards
 
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