Chinese Economics Thread

AssassinsMace

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Would that mean she is no longer going to process U.S.and Australian mined ore?
That's one part why producing it themselves is going to be vastly more expensive for the US to do themselves. Most Americans don't even know that facet where even though they have their own rare earths, they still send it to China to be processed.
 

localizer

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Then you'd be devastated to learn that American F-15s used cheap electrical components from HuaqiangBei to save a buck (which backfired).

Fact of matter is cost effectiveness is actually a pretty important part of arms procurement unless you want to fleece some third party country.
Boy the amount of supercopy apple stuff i saw there.

Couldn't find rc jet engines though.
 

gelgoog

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In theory the US could grow much faster if they did massive investments in infrastructure. It would be enough to keep them growing for like two decades. But as Trump showed the US government simply doesn't have the stomach to do it anymore. Plus the legal framework in the US makes land acquisition difficult. So the US has almost as many chances to get itself growing faster with infrastructure as India to be honest.

China is still growing in terms of productivity, unlike what the article says, with increased use of robots in manufacturing and making products further up the value chain. I'm surprised companies like Apple haven't collapsed into irrelevance already. But with things like the Trump sanctions on Huawei and Xiaomi (it was never about security just market control) no wonder. Dirty games to keep market share.
 

Kaeshmiri

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In theory the US could grow much faster if they did massive investments in infrastructure. It would be enough to keep them growing for like two decades. But as Trump showed the US government simply doesn't have the stomach to do it anymore. Plus the legal framework in the US makes land acquisition difficult. So the US has almost as many chances to get itself growing faster with infrastructure as India to be honest.

The US political system prevents any sustainable growth. Apart from the land acquisition you mentioned ,US politics is run by lobbyists who represent very few sectors namely Energy, Tech, Military Industrial complex , Financial services. Resources are disproportionately allocated to these sectors and virtually nothing is left for education, infrastructure, health, social security etc.
Can a country really call itself a superpower where 63% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck.? Where Govt shurgs off responsibility the moment things go south (texas blackout). COVID exposed what America really is, a dysfunctional oligarchy where Market takes precedence over human lives.

China also has its fair share of problems, namely increasing wealth inequality. But what Chinese political system can do which no other democratic country can is simply tell the capitalists & lobbyists to fk off.
 

antiterror13

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In theory the US could grow much faster if they did massive investments in infrastructure. It would be enough to keep them growing for like two decades. But as Trump showed the US government simply doesn't have the stomach to do it anymore. Plus the legal framework in the US makes land acquisition difficult. So the US has almost as many chances to get itself growing faster with infrastructure as India to be honest.

China is still growing in terms of productivity, unlike what the article says, with increased use of robots in manufacturing and making products further up the value chain. I'm surprised companies like Apple haven't collapsed into irrelevance already. But with things like the Trump sanctions on Huawei and Xiaomi (it was never about security just market control) no wonder. Dirty games to keep market share.

Regarding Huawei, I think it is about security as the US govt might not be able to listen to Huawei's devices, so it is a national security issues ;)
 

Gatekeeper

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This is why decoupling is so difficult. And forming an anti-China alliance is nearly impossible. Both the US and its allies and the world rely upon China in one way or another.
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Short of a blockade, decoupling is dependent on China. Hence China doing BRI.

Only it China decides to close up can it decouple.




i.e. Walmart/Amazon has plenty of customers even if half the people decide to boycott.

Only ones that lose are those that miss out on the cheaper goods.

I thought Japan had a counter to China's Belt and Road...? The number one thing they would need to counter is more money than China would offer. They already failed on the first step.

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What happened to all those countries buying up Australian wine so China's ban was futile?

@KYli Japan should understand that the American hates them more than China. They had a rallying slogan against her the PEARL HARBOR ATTACK, that mistrust is there and will be always be remembered ,that's why the leashed will never be removed.

Global Times view in decoupling. It will be harder than the G7 thinks in the upcoming G7 summits. There is just no way in the world that Germany and Japan.and to a lesser extent the Italians and French is going to walk walk away from China. I can see the Anglos like UK and Canadians going with U.S. reluctantly. But if that's all the got. Then it's a win for China.

From GT:

Germany, Japan among G7 nations less likely to be roped into US’ anti-China alliance

By Li Xuanmin

Published: Feb 19, 2021 02:00 PM


Talking about driving the global economic recovery at the upcoming G7 Summit without China, or even stressing the "China challenge" at the meeting, will be like "navigating in the sea without a compass," giving the bloc's diminishing contribution to the world economy and China's increasing role as a global engine in the post-virus era, analysts said.

Among the G7 countries, European and Asian economies such as Germany and Japan are less likely to be roped into joining the US-led "counter China" alliance, analysts noted.

Such nations, taking into account the level of dependence their economies and industries have on the world's second-largest economy, will trade off between their economic interests and how they maintain relations with their traditional ally, the US, whose reputation sank during Trump's four years of mayhem.

The G7 virtual meeting is set to take place on Friday. According to the White House, US President Joe Biden, along with leaders from other G7 nations, will discuss the coronavirus pandemic, the world economy and "dealing with China" during the meeting.

"Biden will also discuss the need to make investments to strengthen our [the US'] collective competitiveness and the importance of updating global rules to tackle economic challenges such as those posed by China," said the White House.

Analysts said Biden's speech at the summit will aim to deliver a clear signal that the economies of the G7 industrial nations will develop in a robust manner and reclaim their leading roles in driving the world's growth.

Also, Washington will attempt to form alliances with the other developed G7 economies to limit or even cut off China's role in the post-virus economic recovery, and suppress China's development in strategically important fields such as 5G and digital industries.

"This is not realistic. G7 nations, despite having an edge in technology and the international division of labor, only make up a part of the global economy, and their shares in the global economy are already shrinking," Cui Hongjian, director of the Department of European Studies from the China Institute of International Studies, told the Global Times on Friday.

According to media reports, the bloc's share now only represents 33 percent of the global GDP, while three decades ago, the share was closer to 70 percent. Meanwhile, China — as the only major economy to expand last year — is expected to produce 18.6 percent of the world's total GDP in 2020, according to estimates by Statista.

Some analysts described US and other G7 nations as "strange bedfellows," since their perceptions on China, in particular from an economic perspective, are likely to be drastically different, which could ruin the US' hope of forming an alliance to curb China's rise.

"Germany might be the first among the G7 economies to not echo the US' call… China is Germany's largest auto market; how could the nation abandon China's sheer market size just for empty promises that the US may walk away from at any time?" a Beijing-based industry observer, who preferred not to be identified, told the Global Times on Friday.

China has been the largest trading partner of Germany — a major economy in the EU bloc — for four consecutive years. China and the EU also completed negotiations on an epic bilateral investment treaty last year.

Japan, which has seen booming trade flows with its neighboring China, may also not wholly agree with the US, the observer predicted. In November, China, Japan and other 13 Asia-Pacific nations signed the world's largest trade agreement — RCEP. It became Japan's first trade deal with China, its largest trading partner.

In addition to the US, Germany and Japan, the G7 also includes France, Italy, the UK and Canada. Friday's virtual meeting will be hosted by British Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
 

Petrolicious88

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Global Times view in decoupling. It will be harder than the G7 thinks in the upcoming G7 summits. There is just no way in the world that Germany and Japan.and to a lesser extent the Italians and French is going to walk walk away from China. I can see the Anglos like UK and Canadians going with U.S. reluctantly. But if that's all the got. Then it's a win for China.

From GT:

Germany, Japan among G7 nations less likely to be roped into US’ anti-China alliance

By Li Xuanmin

Published: Feb 19, 2021 02:00 PM


Talking about driving the global economic recovery at the upcoming G7 Summit without China, or even stressing the "China challenge" at the meeting, will be like "navigating in the sea without a compass," giving the bloc's diminishing contribution to the world economy and China's increasing role as a global engine in the post-virus era, analysts said.

Among the G7 countries, European and Asian economies such as Germany and Japan are less likely to be roped into joining the US-led "counter China" alliance, analysts noted.

Such nations, taking into account the level of dependence their economies and industries have on the world's second-largest economy, will trade off between their economic interests and how they maintain relations with their traditional ally, the US, whose reputation sank during Trump's four years of mayhem.

The G7 virtual meeting is set to take place on Friday. According to the White House, US President Joe Biden, along with leaders from other G7 nations, will discuss the coronavirus pandemic, the world economy and "dealing with China" during the meeting.

"Biden will also discuss the need to make investments to strengthen our [the US'] collective competitiveness and the importance of updating global rules to tackle economic challenges such as those posed by China," said the White House.

Analysts said Biden's speech at the summit will aim to deliver a clear signal that the economies of the G7 industrial nations will develop in a robust manner and reclaim their leading roles in driving the world's growth.

Also, Washington will attempt to form alliances with the other developed G7 economies to limit or even cut off China's role in the post-virus economic recovery, and suppress China's development in strategically important fields such as 5G and digital industries.

"This is not realistic. G7 nations, despite having an edge in technology and the international division of labor, only make up a part of the global economy, and their shares in the global economy are already shrinking," Cui Hongjian, director of the Department of European Studies from the China Institute of International Studies, told the Global Times on Friday.

According to media reports, the bloc's share now only represents 33 percent of the global GDP, while three decades ago, the share was closer to 70 percent. Meanwhile, China — as the only major economy to expand last year — is expected to produce 18.6 percent of the world's total GDP in 2020, according to estimates by Statista.

Some analysts described US and other G7 nations as "strange bedfellows," since their perceptions on China, in particular from an economic perspective, are likely to be drastically different, which could ruin the US' hope of forming an alliance to curb China's rise.

"Germany might be the first among the G7 economies to not echo the US' call… China is Germany's largest auto market; how could the nation abandon China's sheer market size just for empty promises that the US may walk away from at any time?" a Beijing-based industry observer, who preferred not to be identified, told the Global Times on Friday.

China has been the largest trading partner of Germany — a major economy in the EU bloc — for four consecutive years. China and the EU also completed negotiations on an epic bilateral investment treaty last year.

Japan, which has seen booming trade flows with its neighboring China, may also not wholly agree with the US, the observer predicted. In November, China, Japan and other 13 Asia-Pacific nations signed the world's largest trade agreement — RCEP. It became Japan's first trade deal with China, its largest trading partner.

In addition to the US, Germany and Japan, the G7 also includes France, Italy, the UK and Canada. Friday's virtual meeting will be hosted by British Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
Japan, Germany, France, etc etc can’t walk away from China. That’s true. But they will also make it hard for China to walk away from them. The plan is to pressure China in multifaceted approach involving politics, military, and economics. It forces China give up more concessions out of fear of isolation.
 
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