Chinese Economics Thread

AssassinsMace

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The West can't isolate China without acts of war. China is the only growing country. It ain't being supported by the West buying medical masks and rubber gloves. Everyone said COVID-19 was China's Chernobyl. China is more resilient than even the greatest economics experts have ever imagined. That's why the anti-China hawks want action now.
 

j17wang

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The West can't isolate China without acts of war. China is the only growing country. It ain't being supported by the West buying medical masks and rubber gloves. Everyone said COVID-19 was China's Chernobyl. China is more resilient than even the greatest economics experts have ever imagined. That's why the anti-China hawks want action now.

They want action now, then what are they waiting for? Launch the CVN battlegroups towards china, make sure they can manufacture all the PPE themselves. Also make sure they are willing to put the best and brightest of the five eyes into the concentration camps like they did with the japanese in the last world war. Lets be honest, there is no science and tech in the US these days outside of asian immigrants, and even the koreans, vietnamese, and "indians" are not going to make up the massive gap caused by alienating the chinese american community.
 

horse

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Japan, Germany, France, etc etc can’t walk away from China. That’s true. But they will also make it hard for China to walk away from them. The plan is to pressure China in multifaceted approach involving politics, military, and economics. It forces China give up more concessions out of fear of isolation.
That is the problem with the Liberal media, they are not truthful. They always have an hidden agenda, and want people to discuss topics along the lines of the talking points they provided. Their attempts to control the conversation, are just attempts to control the situation.

It kind of fails with China, for these reasons I believe.

1) That they want to force China into more concessions? What is the big deal with that? When China joined the WTO, China made all the concessions and America made none. How did that work out, it was satisfactory for the Chinese to say the least. China is a grown up country who is able to make decisions and negotiate with others to arrive at those decisions. The point is this - this is business as usual as this is normally called diplomacy.

The Liberal media, for whatever reasons, push the line that diplomacy when done by the west will be a complete and thorough win for the west against China.

Why they think western diplomacy will beat China bad, they never elaborate. They do not even mention which country invented diplomacy! Yes, that's right, China invented diplomacy.

2) They cannot coerce somebody bigger than yourself. Australia trade troubles with China shows that point, which no one should have expected anything different. The point is there is no leverage. China's economy is growing better too. Since there is no leverage, all they have is point #1) which is diplomacy which according to the Liberal media will easily overwhelm China.

3) A big and unwieldy group, with internal competing interests, is easy to apply divide and conquer strategies, in fact with the RCEP and CAI, it was too easy. Seems like the obvious point here is that this coalition does not exist, or the actual strength of such a coalition is grossly overestimated. Let's face it, there is a bigger coalition participating in the BRI, that there is in joining the Americans in their anti-China activities. But we do not read that much about the BRI from the Liberal media. Where they are weak, they do not want to talk about it.

All Xi should say is bring it on. The quicker that China can give the anti-China forces more defeats, the better it is, especially at this time of the pandemic we can see who is stronger. When the pandemic is over, things could change, who knows. Right now, when they are on the run, you chase.

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horse

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I think there are two types of Chinese people.

There are the Cantonese like us, then there is everyone else.

Of course, that is not true, but to us Cantonese, that is how it is.

You see, us Cantonese, we are different because we are tricky. Not sure why this is the case, but someone northern China, they do not practice tricks like this. Maybe it is just a warmer climate.

Even with the straight and honest Cantonese people you met, we still know all the tricks. Maybe not all the tricks, but more tricks than others.

Imagine Marcon and Biden, teaming up together to come to speak to Xi in China, and they look angry.

Xi says fine, and gives Marcon another big contract to Airbus. Marcon delighted, returns home to France with another diplomatic triumph. As for Uncle Joseph, no soup for you.

Where was the trick? The trick was Marcon teaming up with Biden so Marcon can get something. That Uncle Joseph left empty handed, no soup for you, is kind of besides the point for the grandeur France.

It is all political theater, and we play along.

The Chinese held court in ancient times. The Chinese played some politics before, along with Mah Jonng and horse racing.

:D
 

gadgetcool5

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China-Europe Railway Express brings more foreign products to inland China​

The China-Europe Railway Express has played a more important role since the onset of the pandemic last year, which saw a total of 12,406 trips made between China and Europe, a figure exceeding 10,000 for the first time.

Last year, Zhengzhou – which serves as a central transport hub in the country – saw 1,126 trips along its section of the China-Europe Railway Express, a year-on-year increase of 13 percent. The total cargo value amounted to roughly $4.3 billion, up by 27 percent, while the overall cargo weight grew by 31 percent to reach 721,100 tons.

According to Li, when combined with the land ports, the trains have brought a diverse variety of foreign imports to inland regions of China, while enabling products made in Henan Province, such as home appliances, daily necessities and local specialties, to seep into foreign markets, thus bringing China and Eurasia more closer together.

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siegecrossbow

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China-Europe Railway Express brings more foreign products to inland China​

The China-Europe Railway Express has played a more important role since the onset of the pandemic last year, which saw a total of 12,406 trips made between China and Europe, a figure exceeding 10,000 for the first time.

Last year, Zhengzhou – which serves as a central transport hub in the country – saw 1,126 trips along its section of the China-Europe Railway Express, a year-on-year increase of 13 percent. The total cargo value amounted to roughly $4.3 billion, up by 27 percent, while the overall cargo weight grew by 31 percent to reach 721,100 tons.

According to Li, when combined with the land ports, the trains have brought a diverse variety of foreign imports to inland regions of China, while enabling products made in Henan Province, such as home appliances, daily necessities and local specialties, to seep into foreign markets, thus bringing China and Eurasia more closer together.

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Interestingly this project started mainly as a prestige project but COVID actually gave railway a big boost due to shortage of ships and shipping containers.
 

quantumlight

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They want action now, then what are they waiting for? Launch the CVN battlegroups towards china, make sure they can manufacture all the PPE themselves. Also make sure they are willing to put the best and brightest of the five eyes into the concentration camps like they did with the japanese in the last world war. Lets be honest, there is no science and tech in the US these days outside of asian immigrants, and even the koreans, vietnamese, and "indians" are not going to make up the massive gap caused by alienating the chinese american community.
Perhaps a surprise full scale nuclear strike against China out of the blue...
America still has couple thousand nukes in minuteman iii silos alone.

They may decide that the blowback from China's limited second strike is worth the costs.
 
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