Chinese Economics Thread

Tam

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Hi Tam,

Let's look for ways to increase the middle class

1) increase in salary

2) appreciation of Yuan

3) gov't action in providing cheaper and affordable housing

4) more investment in high speed rail to connect the cheaper suburb instead of staying in the expensive city

5) more investment in critical 5G infrastructure to force people to work at home instead of extra expense and time consuming trips

6) increase the working age to 68 yrs old of both sex (so that they can work and earn more instead of a pension)

7) more support for SME, and provide technical assistance to start their business

8) use tech to facilitate more business and convenience.

9) cut red tape

10) health insurance for working family


I would give the same suggestion I would give to China and Korea.

Give people more free time. Make them work less. Reduce overtimes, or even ban them. Get rid of the overwork ethic.

When people have more free time, they can be more creative, innovative, and entrepreneurial, which they can eventually start business on their own. More free time also translates to increased consumption, which helps small businesses in return. More free time means more time they can also spend with their families. More free time also give them to F**K and reproduce, which helps increase the population.

Also too many zombie companies in Japan. Allowing these companies to live they become parasites, sucking the capital lifeblood of the economy so they can stay open for another day, and in doing so, thwarting innovation and entrepreneurship.
 
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Hi Tam,

Let's look for ways to increase the middle class

1) increase in salary

2) appreciation of Yuan

3) gov't action in providing cheaper and affordable housing

4) more investment in high speed rail to connect the cheaper suburb instead of staying in the expensive city

5) more investment in critical 5G infrastructure to force people to work at home instead of extra expense and time consuming trips

6) increase the working age to 68 yrs old of both sex (so that they can work and earn more instead of a pension)

7) more support for SME, and provide technical assistance to start their business

8) use tech to facilitate more business and convenience.

9) cut red tape

10) health insurance for working family
I think increasing social welfare expenditures of:
  • Free universal healthcare (modeled after the NHS or other single-payer models; these have been shown to be the most efficient)
  • Increased social security provisions for old/unemployed people
  • National Singapore-style public housing program for all Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities for low- and medium-income households
  • Greater subsidies for reducing college tuition for the young
These would also go a long ways to boosting middle-class consumption. Things like high costs in healthcare, housing, and higher education are weighing down on the growth of the middle class.
 

Gatekeeper

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Hi Tam,

Let's look for ways to increase the middle class

1) increase in salary

2) appreciation of Yuan

3) gov't action in providing cheaper and affordable housing

4) more investment in high speed rail to connect the cheaper suburb instead of staying in the expensive city

5) more investment in critical 5G infrastructure to force people to work at home instead of extra expense and time consuming trips

6) increase the working age to 68 yrs old of both sex (so that they can work and earn more instead of a pension)

7) more support for SME, and provide technical assistance to start their business

8) use tech to facilitate more business and convenience.

9) cut red tape

10) health insurance for working family

I would give the same suggestion I would give to China and Korea.

Give people more free time. Make them work less. Reduce overtimes, or even ban them. Get rid of the overwork ethic.

When people have more free time, they can be more creative, innovative, and entrepreneurial, which they can eventually start business on their own. More free time also translates to increased consumption, which helps small businesses in return. More free time means more time they can also spend with their families. More free time also give them to F**K and reproduce, which helps increase the population.

Also too many zombie companies in Japan. Allowing these companies to live they become parasites, sucking the capital lifeblood of the economy so they can stay open for another day, and in doing so, thwarting innovation and entrepreneurship.

@Tam

Tan, you ok? Lol.

@ansy1968 @Tam

Before we give ourselves a big group hug and sing kumbaya.

You do realised that you both offered different solutions to try and increase welfare in China.

Also both solutions are not sustainable! You to know that, right? And you're just pulling our strings. Lol
 
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BEIJING—China finished 2020 with a 10th consecutive month of expansion in its manufacturing sector, capping
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Beijing's official gauge of factory activity finished the year at 51.9, in line with expectations and remaining above the 50 mark that separates expansion from contraction, extending a streak that dates back to March. The reading was slightly lower than November's 52.1 reading.

The Chinese economy also showed strength outside its factories. China's nonmanufacturing PMI, which covers services like retail, aviation and software as well as the real estate and construction sectors, came in at 55.7 in December, the National Bureau of Statistics said Thursday. Though that reading was down from 56.4 in November, it marked a 10th month of expansion and remains near the highest levels in more than a decade.

Taken together, the robust finish to the year is likely to affirm economists' forecasts for gross domestic product growth in the fourth quarter and full year of more than 6% and 2%, respectively . It also suggests a strong start to 2021, with economists both inside and outside the government projecting economic growth of 8% or more in the coming year.

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economists raised their GDP growth forecast for the fourth quarter to 6.8% from a previous estimate of 5.2%, citing expectations for “stronger momentum heading into the new year.” For the full year, Goldman raised its GDP estimate to 2.4% for 2020 from 2.0% previously, and to 8.0% for 2021 , up from an earlier forecast of 7.5%.

Also likely to improve the overall statistical picture was a downward revision by China's statistics bureau on Wednesday, which cut the country's official GDP figure for 2019 to 6.0% from a previous reading of 6.1%. The lower base could provide a small boost to China's GDP number for 2020. The statistics bureau is set to publish full-year figures on January 18.

Thursday's PMI data showed some reasons for concern below the surface. The manufacturing subindexes measuring production, total new orders and new export orders all fell in December.

Even so, the subindex for new export orders stood above 50 for a fourth straight month, suggesting continued overseas demand for Chinese-made goods. A subindex measuring Chinese exporters' business outlook rose for an eighth consecutive month in December to its highest level this year , manufacturers reflecting' increased confidence in the global recovery, said Zhao Qinghe, an economist with the statistics bureau.

Even with the slight December retreat in the headline manufacturing number, Mr. Zhao said the pace of the manufacturing recovery picked up for the fourth quarter as a whole.

China's manufacturing PMI didn't fall by as much as it might have in December, given that several Western countries launched another round of large-scale coronavirus lockdowns in mid-December, said Iris Pang, an economist with ING Bank in Hong Kong.

Ms. Pang credited China's continued strength to the fact that other exporting nations in Asia were also hit by a resurgence in the pandemic.

"Many orders flowed back to China," she said. "China, once again, has played a complementary role in exporting."

On the nonmanufacturing side, subindexes measuring business activity in the service sector and new orders for the entire nonmanufacturing sector both fell, though another measuring construction activity rose to 60.7 from the 60.5 in the previous month.

—Grace Zhu and Bingyan Wang contributed to this article.
I strongly believe China's 2020 GDP will be above ¥103 trillion RMB. Given the exchange rate of currently of ¥6.46 = $1 USD, that equates to China's nominal GDP in dollar terms equivalent to $16 trillion USD for 2020, almost 80% of the US GDP!
 

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I strongly believe China's 2020 GDP will be above ¥103 trillion RMB. Given the exchange rate of currently of ¥6.46 = $1 USD, that equates to China's nominal GDP in dollar terms equivalent to $16 trillion USD for 2020, almost 80% of the US GDP!

And how much would be in PPP? ... now about 1.3x US GDP (PPP) ?
 

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The latest video from Japanese documentary director Takeuchi Ryo on how China's entrepreneurs, businesses and companies have been adapting and thriving in the post-pandemic world. The Chinese are nothing if not resilient and resourceful. Note particularly the live-streaming ecommerce that has been booming in China. The Economist's latest issue have
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on it. If you remember, Walmart was one of the US corporate partners along with Oracle to take stakes in the new TikTok supposedly to be incorporated under the pressure of Trump administration. One of the main cited reasons for the retail giant to be interested in the deal is to leverage TikTok as a platform for new form of ecommerce based on experiences from "other countries." Walmart didn't say it explicitly, but that other country is China, and the new form of ecommerce is living-streaming ecommerce.

While the headline numbers of China's economic recovery from pandemic are certainly impressive, underlying them are the hard-working and enterprising individuals and companies. Chinese are the ultimate capitalist animals. They also partly explain why China is
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It's a very good documentary.

 
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