Chinese Economics Thread

daifo

Captain
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Well just as you wrote that, WSJ published an article

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which doesn't make sense because Germany unbanned Huawei and EU is about to sign an investment deal with China. Is WSJ trying to fool itself? Ah Q syndrome? And there's RCEP too. Where's the pushback? Africa? Latin America? I just don't see it.

WSJ is own by news corp who owns all the anti-china aussie media + fox news.
 

Quickie

Colonel

I'm impressed.
This time last year (Dec 2019 - Jan 2020) I was quite concerned for China. It had HK protest, full on attacks sponsored by foreign agents and quickly replaced by a even more malicious threat - Coronavirus.
Add in -
-Trade war with USA (where it seemed like China had to buckle first)
-A border confrontation with India.


To say I was concerned is actually an understatement. Many other members were quite distressed too (if I may speak for others).

How quickly has the situation changed.

Coronavirus reigned in.
RCEP signed.
USA in turmoil due to Covid and elections.
EU economy in turmoil.
China managing to confront India into the winter.
And now a deal with EU.

Is it just pure luck or clever " 3D Chess" played by CCP members? I think it's the former. Luck is with China.

This time last year (Dec 2019 - Jan 2020) I was quite concerned for China. It had HK protest, full on attacks sponsored by foreign agents and quickly replaced by a even more malicious threat - Coronavirus.
Add in -
-Trade war with USA (where it seemed like China had to buckle first)
-A border confrontation with India.

It certainly looks like a perfect storm of circumstances.

The question now is, has all of that been man-made?

We know that the trade-war has been man-made.

We know the Hong Kong protest has been man-made with the help of outside forces.

We know the border confrontation with India has been man-made when China was too busy and under pressured to handle all these troubles and had no reason to want to start another one.

Now, was it just a coincidence, or was it just a continuation of it having been man-made considering that the virus outbreak in Wuhan happened just as the whole of China was to embark on the biggest human migration in the world just before the beginning of the Lunar New Year festival? Just imagine the virus outbreak was not detected in Wuhan, and the yearly world's biggest migration in China had gone on as usual. The disastrous outcome from it would have been unimaginable.
 

quantumlight

Junior Member
Registered Member
It certainly looks like a perfect storm of circumstances.

The question now is, has all of that been man-made?

We know that the trade-war has been man-made.

We know the Hong Kong protest has been man-made with the help of outside forces.

We know the border confrontation with India has been man-made when China was too busy and under pressured to handle all these troubles and had no reason to want to start another one.

Now, was it just a coincidence, or was it just a continuation of it having been man-made considering that the virus outbreak in Wuhan happened just as the whole of China was to embark on the biggest human migration in the world just before the beginning of the Lunar New Year festival? Just imagine the virus outbreak was not detected in Wuhan, and the yearly world's biggest migration in China had gone on as usual. The disastrous outcome from it would have been unimaginable.
The CIA took out Ray Dalio's son last week too, in an "unintended acceleration" event in which his car mysteriously burst into fiery flames after crashing into a Verizon 5G store at high speed in a parking lot...

Many folks in the intel and defence communitities of Amerikkka including high ranking US general publicly expressed extreme displeasure with Dalio recently, even on twitter to warn him

Dalio was previously advised to change the title of his upcoming book which was generally positive on China and critical of America, it was set to release this fall but now postponed and delayed to at least next year...

Between this and the Zappos guy, and the Chinese producer set to make The Three Body Problem film its clear Amerikkka is systematically purging all prominent Chinese Americans and prominent figures with Pro-China views (Ray Dalio)

At this rate I might be next
 

bajingan

Senior Member
It certainly looks like a perfect storm of circumstances.

The question now is, has all of that been man-made?

We know that the trade-war has been man-made.

We know the Hong Kong protest has been man-made with the help of outside forces.

We know the border confrontation with India has been man-made when China was too busy and under pressured to handle all these troubles and had no reason to want to start another one.

Now, was it just a coincidence, or was it just a continuation of it having been man-made considering that the virus outbreak in Wuhan happened just as the whole of China was to embark on the biggest human migration in the world just before the beginning of the Lunar New Year festival? Just imagine the virus outbreak was not detected in Wuhan, and the yearly world's biggest migration in China had gone on as usual. The disastrous outcome from it would have been unimaginable.

I always in the belief that there are no coincidences in geo politics
Just as China and us in the middle of a trade war that has morphed into cold war all of sudden a virus appeared that exposed the weaknesses and severely damaged the economies of China main enemies europe and the us (if you also counted the brits which is beyond hopeless)
And now China is expected to surpass the us as the largest economy in the world earlier than expected
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meanwhile eu and the us is in the weakest state ever in decades
Its like in boxing the punch that hurt you the most is the punch that you didn't see coming
 

bajingan

Senior Member
Well I wouldn't defend drinking alcohol as some sort of pinnacle of human sophistication regardless of which alcohol it is.
I wouldn't defend having people as domestic helpers as a pinnacle of human wealth either. That, to me, only describes that you are in a deeply unequal society for people to be able to afford helpers for small things like that. Labor isn't being valued properly I think.
In the US and Brazil there is also a culture in some places of hiring helpers and those helpers typically come from highly impoverished backgrounds. The US and Brazil are some of the most unequal societies in the so called Western economies.
There are perks living in unequal societies if you have money but not really multi millionaires, you can live like a king
As i can attest from personal experience i was born in indonesia in a upper middle class family and we have 2 live in maids and driver (which is not uncommon for upper middle class families in indonesia) and we only paid them in total about $300 usd per month
I was chaffeured everywhere i go like a ceo in western countries
And in supermarkets and shops sometimes there are more staffs than customers and they would bring your groceries to the car
Unlike supermarkets here in australia which hardly has any staffs and cashier is often replaced by self service checkout which gave you error messages so often you start to wonder if the software was made in india lol
These low paid labor low living cost countries is what makes them so attractive to retirees from the us and america
They usually flock to places like thailand or indonesia
Hell even i seriously considering selling everything i have here and moving back to indonesia due to this lol
 

escobar

Brigadier
I'm impressed.
This time last year (Dec 2019 - Jan 2020) I was quite concerned for China. It had HK protest, full on attacks sponsored by foreign agents and quickly replaced by a even more malicious threat - Coronavirus.
Add in -
-Trade war with USA (where it seemed like China had to buckle first)
-A border confrontation with India.


To say I was concerned is actually an understatement. Many other members were quite distressed too (if I may speak for others).

How quickly has the situation changed.

Coronavirus reigned in.
RCEP signed.
USA in turmoil due to Covid and elections.
EU economy in turmoil.
China managing to confront India into the winter.
And now a deal with EU.

Is it just pure luck or clever " 3D Chess" played by CCP members? I think it's the former. Luck is with China.
China being more active in external policy instead of being passive. But need more pro-active policy.
Also US actions not very effective.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
I'm impressed.
This time last year (Dec 2019 - Jan 2020) I was quite concerned for China. It had HK protest, full on attacks sponsored by foreign agents and quickly replaced by a even more malicious threat - Coronavirus.
Add in -
-Trade war with USA (where it seemed like China had to buckle first)
-A border confrontation with India.


To say I was concerned is actually an understatement. Many other members were quite distressed too (if I may speak for others).

How quickly has the situation changed.

Coronavirus reigned in.
RCEP signed.
USA in turmoil due to Covid and elections.
EU economy in turmoil.
China managing to confront India into the winter.
And now a deal with EU.

Is it just pure luck or clever " 3D Chess" played by CCP members? I think it's the former. Luck is with China.

There maybe some luck in it in the timing as it got Trump stumped on the election year.

But let's not take credit away from the sheer hardwork and sacrifice of the medic and other stuff made the containment possible.

Have we not remember how quickly the hospitals were built? How China using Y20 and others flying in thousands of medics and other staff to many it possible? And how how these people worked around the clock to ensure we defeat this virus. All the time the west looks on and play politics by ridiculed and make accusations of China.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
The CIA took out Ray Dalio's son last week too, in an "unintended acceleration" event in which his car mysteriously burst into fiery flames after crashing into a Verizon 5G store at high speed in a parking lot...

Many folks in the intel and defence communitities of Amerikkka including high ranking US general publicly expressed extreme displeasure with Dalio recently, even on twitter to warn him

Dalio was previously advised to change the title of his upcoming book which was generally positive on China and critical of America, it was set to release this fall but now postponed and delayed to at least next year...

Between this and the Zappos guy, and the Chinese producer set to make The Three Body Problem film its clear Amerikkka is systematically purging all prominent Chinese Americans and prominent figures with Pro-China views (Ray Dalio)

At this rate I might be next

Lol. Watch your back!. Lol
 
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