Chinese Economics Thread

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Re South America
Essentially what IronsightSniper views on the capabilities of South America are true. It has the people and resources. What it needs is the political will and the people with the foresight and skills to make it happen.

Ask about the potential of Brazil. Here what Charles De Gaulle had to say

"Brazil is the country of the future; and will always remain so"
A quote from General Charles de Gaulle, a former President of France

The meaning of De Gaulle’s observation is not clear at first, but after a moment's reflection, its scathing power becomes apparent. De Gaulle's point was that Brazil had great potential but due to poor politics, inequality, a dismal infrastructure and poor economic management, Brazil was unable to capitalise on its great natural resources. Fortunately, in recent years, Brazil has reformed itself and is beginning to capitalise on its great strengths.

As i said before Brazil, Argentinia, gained independece about the same time as US.Before the WWII they are some of the richest countries in the World. they squandered their lead.

I once share an office with Ex Latvian who was kidnapped by the German and at the end of WWII decide immigrate to Brazil. He could't take is and decide to immigrate out of Brazil

Brazil is well endowed country blessed with rich mineral and mild climate compare to them China is god forsaken country too dry and the the south is too wet, mountaneous only 30% of the land is arable
Here is GDP/Capita comparison between Brazil and China in real Dollar
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bladerunner

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You know, you could say the same thing of Africa as well. Doesn't mean the "political will" and "foresight" will happen.

True, but even though it took nearly 200yrs to eventuate Im sure Napoleon was making more than a whimsical statement about China.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
True, but even though it took nearly 200yrs to eventuate Im sure Napoleon was making more than a whimsical statement about China.

Or maybe Napoleon just didn't know what he was talking about. China at 1821 was nearing the end of its Golden Age, and a few decades later would bring the Opium War, marking the beginning of 100 years of decline.
 

Martian

Senior Member
Macau ($49,745) is first Chinese enclave to surpass U.S. ($47,132) in per capita GDP

List of nominal 2010 per capita GDP for select countries from IMF:

Macau $49,745
United States $47,132
Singapore $42,653
Japan $42,325
Germany $40,512

United Kingdom $36,298
Hong Kong $31,799
New Zealand $31,588

Czech Republic $18,721
Republic of China (Taiwan) $18,303
Slovakia $15,906
Hungary $13,210
Poland $11,521
Russia $10,521

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"Macao's per-capita GDP reaches $49,745
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2011-03-26 08:08

MACAO - Macao's GDP for the whole year of 2010 reached 217.32 billion patacas ($27.16 billion), with per-capita GDP amounting to 398,071 patacas, the city's Statistics and Census Service (DSEC) said on Friday.

According to the figures, Macao's GDP rose by 26.2 percent in real terms last year and economic growth for the fourth quarter of last year stood at 27.9 percent in real terms.

Macao's per-capita GDP of 2010 rose by 94,079 patacas over 2009, an increase of 25.8 percent year-on-year.

The DSEC said that revival of the world economy and the robust economic growth in the Chinese mainland created favorable conditions for a rapid rebound of Macao economy.

As a result, gross gaming revenue and total visitor spending of last year soared substantially upon outstanding performance of the tourism and gaming sector.

In respect of the GDP structure, the notable increase in exports of tourism and gaming services pushed up net exports of goods and services to surge by 66.8 percent, far higher than the level of economic growth, bringing its relative importance to GDP to rise apparently from 41.9 percent in 2009 to 55.4 percent in 2010, the DSEC said."

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Note: 8 Macau Patacas = 1 U.S. Dollar

From article: Macau's 2010 "per-capita GDP amount to 398,071 patacas."

Calculation: 398,071 patacas / 8 patacas per U.S. dollar = $49,759 U.S. dollars (which is virtually the same as the headline $49,745)
 
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solarz

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Re: Macau ($49,745) is first Chinese enclave to surpass U.S. ($47,132) in per capita

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Western analysts often point to projects like high-speed rail as proof of China's seemingly boundless momentum. But as with so much else in China, the bullet trains represent both the excitement of an emerging superpower and, at the same time, the extent to which the nation's unbridled economic progress has cleaved its population on two sides of a deep divide of money and privilege.

Although the country's boom lifted more than half a billion people out of extreme poverty in the decades after 1981, a point of immense pride here, there is growing worry about the distance between everyday Chinese and the very wealthy, and at times very corrupt, elite.

There has been a great rich-poor gap in China for some 15 years now. Do you know why the country hasn't blown up yet? It's simple, yet no western journalist seem to ever point it out: the divide is not uncrossable! People, regardless of their birth, are able to become rich if they're smart, have connections, and very lucky.

The fact that it *IS* possible to improve one's lot in life make people work *with* the system, instead of *against* the system in frustration.

Also, "everyday Chinese" includes a large chunk of middle-class families who definitely *can* afford high speed rail. It's not just tycoons and peasants in China.


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But the bullet train's cost - a firstclass ticket is 390 yuan each way, or about $60 - is unreachable for many. A one-way seat on the green train is 36 yuan, or $5.50.

There are, of course, many price options between the poor man's ride taken by laborers and Chang's firstclass ticket. But the amount of investment being poured into the fancier end of the spectrum - more than $100 billion planned for high-speed rail this year alone - has made China's railways ministry a focal point of concern.

The intermediate options is the option chosen by the large chunk of middle-class passengers. The "investment in the fancier end of the spectrum" is also quite misleading, as HSR is also part of those "intermediate options".

article said:
"The majority of people cannot afford high-speed trains," Wang Laiying, a 31-year-old office worker at a biological research company in Beijing, said.

It's more accurate to say, "the majority of people don't want to spend that much money on a trip". Really, unless you're living in a remote village, HSR ticket prices aren't exactly outrageous. It's significantly less pricey than air-travel, for example, for only a fraction of the hassle.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Contrary to the dire prediction of western press. Chinese economy performed well for the first 3 month shrugged off the rising oil price and Japan earth quake .Well on its way to achieved goal set by premier Wen Jiabao. Export growth continue is moderate pace, Inflation is moderate.No property crash, no hard landing, no riot on the street. I don't know why people make so much of 5% inflation when the economy grow at 10%. India and Vietnam has much larger inflation but nobody bitch about it

China March Export Growth Shows Economy Tolerating Interest Rate Increases
By Bloomberg News - Apr 10, 2011 8:52 PM PT
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China’s faster-than-expected growth in exports and imports last month may allow Premier Wen Jiabao to strengthen his fight against inflation, which probably exceeded his target for the ninth straight month in March.

Overseas shipments jumped 35.8 percent and imports climbed 27.3 percent, unexpectedly pulling the trade balance into surplus after a $7.3 billion shortfall in February, the customs bureau said yesterday.

“March export figures came in stronger than expected, shrugging off the impact of Japan’s disaster and the surge in oil prices,” said Qu Hongbin, chief China economist at HSBC Holdings Plc in Hong Kong. “This reconfirms that inflation rather than growth remains as the key risk for China. Get ready for more reserve ratio and rate hikes in the coming months.”

The government will use reserve requirement ratios, interest rates and foreign-exchange rates to “eliminate the monetary basis for inflation,” Premier Wen Jiabao said during a visit to Zhejiang province on April 9, the official Xinhua news agency reported. Wen reiterated that controlling price gains is his top economic priority after food and housing costs surged, threatening social stability.

Investors are growing confident that the economy can tolerate monetary tightening, with China’s benchmark stock index climbing 9 percent since the first of two interest-rate increases this year. The index’s advance has beaten the 0.6 percent gain in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index and a 1.4 percent drop in the MSCI Asia Pacific Index.

Accelerating Inflation
The Shanghai Composite Index, which tracks the bigger of China’s stock exchanges, rose for a fifth day. It climbed 0.8 percent to 3,053.24 at the 11:30 a.m. break.

Consumer-price gains climbed 5.2 percent in March, exceeding the government’s 2011 target of 4 percent for the third month, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey. The statistics bureau is due to release the data on April 15.

Inflation in China is “somewhat out of control and causing some serious danger of wage-price inflation,” billionaire investor George Soros said yesterday at a conference in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire. “It would be very advantageous to allow the currency to appreciate as a way of controlling inflation,” said Soros, chairman of Soros Fund Management LLC.

Higher commodity prices contributed to the nation recording its first quarterly trade deficit since 2004, underscoring the case for yuan gains to help contain prices. Inbound crude oil shipments in the first quarter rose 12 percent by volume and 39 percent by value to $43.7 billion. The cost of iron ore imports jumped 82.5 percent to $27.7 billion while the amount of metal climbed 14.4 percent, customs data showed.

Quicker Gains
“China’s economy would ultimately benefit from greater appreciation” in the yuan, Stephen Green, head of research for greater China at Standard Chartered Plc in Shanghai, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. Green predicted a “quicker” pace of appreciation in the currency in the second quarter after a 0.9 percent gain versus the dollar in the January-to-March.

The People’s Bank of China has raised interest rates four times and boosted banks’ reserve requirement ratios six times since early October. Credit Suisse Group AG forecasts the benchmark one-year deposit rate, which has risen 1 percentage point to 3.25 percent, will climb another 1.5 percentage points by the end of the year.

No Hard Landing
A report this week may show China’s gross domestic product expanded 9.4 percent in the first quarter from a year earlier, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey. The economy grew 9.8 percent in the fourth quarter.

There’s “little risk of a hard landing,” Paul J. Heytens, China country director of the Asian Development Bank said last week, citing “robust” growth in industrial production, retail sales and real-estate investment.

Expansion will ease to 9.6 percent this year from 10.3 percent in 2010 as the government’s fiscal stimulus winds down and monetary policy is tightened, the Manila-based lender forecast.

The growth in March exports beat the forecasts of 24 out of 25 economists in a Bloomberg News survey and was 53 percent higher than the median estimate, while the gain in imports topped the 20.6 percent forecast. The $140 million trade surplus compared with the median forecast for a deficit of $3.35 billion.

Export Growth
“The better-than-expected exports and imports should remove concerns there will be a rapid economic downturn,” Dong Xian’an, former chief economist at Industrial Securities and now at Beijing-based Peking First Advisory, said in a note yesterday.

Export growth to China’s biggest trading partners -- the European Union and the U.S. -- accelerated last month as their economies recovered from the global financial crisis, customs bureau data showed. Shipments to Japan surged 37.4 percent from a year earlier to a record $13.1 billion.

U.S. policy makers have pressed China to allow quicker gains in the yuan to help narrow trade imbalances, with Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner continuing to describe the currency as “substantially undervalued.”

The PBOC set the yuan’s daily reference rate against the dollar at 6.5401 today, a record high for the seventh straight trading day. The currency touched a 17-year high on April 8 and was little changed at 6.5367 per dollar as of 10:02 a.m. in Shanghai, according to the China Foreign Exchange System. The yuan has gained more than 4 percent over the past 12 months, less than half the rise of Singapore’s dollar.

Containing Inflation
“China is still facing strong pressure from imported inflation,” said Liu Li-Gang, an economist at Australia & New Zealand Banking Group in Hong Kong who formerly worked for the World Bank. “While the authorities can use fiscal subsidies to offset this, the exchange rate tool is more effective to contain imported inflation.”

The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development said last week an economic recovery among the world’s most advanced economies is gathering strength. The Paris-based body forecast the Group of Seven economies excluding Japan probably expanded an annualized 3.2 percent in the first quarter and 2.9 percent in the second.

--Zheng Lifei, Victoria Ruan. With assistance from Jay Wang in Singapore, Sophie Leung and Susan Li in Hong Kong and Baizhen Chua in Beijing. Editor: Nerys Avery, Ken McCallum
 

Martian

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China now world's third-biggest tourist attraction

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"China now world's third-biggest tourist attraction
08:38, April 11, 2011

China has overtaken Spain on the list of the world's top tourism destinations, becoming the third-largest attraction, a senior tourism official said at the weekend.

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Foreign tourists don costumes similar to those worn by emperors during the Qing Dynasty (1644-1911) and dance at Jingshan Park at the center of Beijing last month. (Photo: China Daily)​

Man Hongwei, director of the international coordination department at the China National Tourism Administration, said at a press conference that the number of international arrivals staying at least one night reached 55.66 million last year, up 9.4 percent on 2009.

China's appearance in the top three was its first. It follows France, which had 78.95 million arrivals, and the United States, which had 60.88 million, according to the United Nations World Tourism Organization.

The spending by outbound Chinese tourists ranked fourth-largest worldwide last year. The number of outbound travelers hit 57.39 million in 2010, which was up 20.4 percent year-on-year.

The industry's total revenue maintained an annual average growth of 15 percent during the past five years, he said.

Xu Daoming, general manager of the marketing department at the China Travel Service, said his company saw robust growth in inbound tourism last year.

"The Shanghai Expo and the Asian Games in Guangzhou were major reasons for the increased momentum that moved the flagging inbound travel market out of the shadow of the international financial crisis," Xu said.

Tourists from Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macao were joined by tourists from countries including Japan, Vietnam and India to drive up growth in 2010, he said. There has also been an obvious increase in the number of tourists arriving from Russia and the US.

Zhao Huanyan, a tourism industry expert at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, said that the reshuffle of the global tourism industry will benefit China's booming tourism sectors and those who understand the prospering tourism market in Asia.

Zhou said luxury hotels such as those of the Hong Kong-based Shangri-la hotel group are a good example, employing strategies to open hotels in popular destinations on the Chinese mainland to accommodate in-bound visitors and in other countries and regions that are popular with Chinese travelers.

Earlier, the UN World Tourism Organization forecast that China has the potential to pass France as the largest destination by 2015.

But, despite the promise, Shao Qiwei, head of the National Tourism Administration of China, warned that the tourism industry is fragile and can be impacted by natural disasters, epidemic diseases and emergencies.

He said, against such a backdrop, the tourism industry in the Asia Pacific region should strengthen cooperation to maintain the vitality of the region, which is the world's fastest-growing tourism destination as a whole.

Source: China Daily"
 

Martian

Senior Member
China is "now the world’s second-largest importer behind the United States"

New York Times excerpt: "Global Trade Information Services, which is based in South Carolina, expects China to pass the United States next year to become the world’s biggest importer."

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"U.S. exports to China has reached a new record-high of $91.9 billion last year...on soaring Chinese demand."

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"This chart displays China's percentage of foreign trade with each country. It includes both imports and exports for the 12 months from August 2009 - August 2010 (and 1992). The chart shows the top 28 countries.

The USA currently has a bit over 14% of its trade with China. The highest is South Korea at 22.8%, and the lowest on this chart is Belgium at 2.9%. The average country now has 10% of its trade with China.

When the same data is analyzed from 18 years ago, the most interdependent country was Japan at 5%. The average country then had 1.6% of its trade with China."

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"As China Grows, So Does Its Appetite for American-Made Products
By DAVID BARBOZA
April 7, 2011, 12:42 pm

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(Source: U.S.- China Business Council)

SHANGHAI — America’s huge trade deficit with China has raised concerns about American competitiveness and jobs moving overseas. But a new study offers a glimmer of hope to Americans: Last year, American exports to China soared 32 percent to a record $91.9 billion.

A study by a trade group called the U.S.- China Business Council says China is now the world’s fastest-growing destination for American exports.

While United States exports to the rest of the world have grown 55 percent over the past decade, American exports to China have jumped 468 percent.


Most of those exports have come from California, Washington and Texas, which have shipped huge quantities of microchips, computer components and aircraft. But states that produce grain, chemicals and transportation equipment have also benefited.

The trend seems like good news for the White House. Last year, President Obama announced a new initiative that aims to double American exports by 2014. A major focus of that effort is China, now the world’s second-largest importer behind the United States.

Don Brasher, who runs Global Trade Information Services, which is based in South Carolina, expects China to pass the United States next year to become the world’s biggest importer. (For comparison’s sake, in 2010, the United States imported about $1.9 trillion worth of goods while China imported $1.4 trillion worth.)


And while much of what China imports is used to make goods that are then re-exported, like the Apple iPhone, Mr. Brasher says a growing share of what China imports from the United States, including cotton and grain as well as aircraft and automobiles, is staying in China.

“You know all those BMW X5 S.U.V.’s that are in China? They’re being imported from the U.S.,” Mr. Brasher said in a telephone interview Thursday. “They’re being made by a BMW factory in South Carolina.”

But analysts say they don’t expect the United States trade gap with China to shrink any time soon. Last year, China’s trade surplus with the United States was between $180 billion or $250 billion, according to various calculations.

Still, the combination of a weakening American dollar and China’s growing economic clout is likely to bode well for American exports. With China short of water and arable land, exports of crops to China jumped to $13.8 billion last year.

China is hungry for other resources as well, like recyclable metals and paper. Just ask New York. Last year, the state’s biggest export to China was “waste and scrap” — about $1 billion worth, according to the U.S.-China Business Council."
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
The idea that China only export cheap shirt and toy is completely outdated. The bulk of Chinese export is now electrical good, office machinery ,consumer electronic

China's 2010 machinery, electronic exports to hit $940

China is expected to be the world's largest exporter of machinery and electronic products in 2010, with export value of the goods up 30 percent year on year to 940 billion U.S. dollars, said an industrial head Thursday.

China exported 842.74 billion U.S. dollars worth of machinery and electronic products in the first 11 months, up 32.7 percent from a year earlier, Zhang Yujing, director of the China Chamber of Commerce for Import and Export of Machinery and Electronic Products (CCCME) told a press conference.

The total value of imports and exports of machinery and electronic products increased 34.3 percent to 1.4 trillion U.S. dollars over the period, Zhang said, adding the nation's machinery and electronic exports had rebounded to pre-crisis levels.

Despite the large export volume and comparative advantages, such as lower labor costs, the nation's machinery and electronic manufacturing industries were lacking in terms of independent innovation capacity and overseas marketing, and faced trade friction challenges, said Vice Commerce Minister Jiang Yaoping

The country's foreign trade hit a historic high in November, as exports rose 34.9 percent year on year to 153.33 billion U.S. dollars and imports jumped 37.7 percent to 130.43 billion U.S. dollars.
 
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